Fired from bar-job for not charging staff full price of pints

The wrc will first and foremost ensure that processes for dismissal were followed correctly. Sacking someone on the spot doesnt cut it.

Secondly they wilo want to ensure that the action taken is proportionate. Which in this case it is.

Nobody’s suggesting that. Like the OP’s case, it’s pretty open and shut.

But there’s a process to follow regardless to protect the employer. Everything should be documented with confirmation of any witnesses etc. There’s nothing to stop a disgruntled employee from going to the WRC with a pack of lies and unless an employer has documented evidence of having gone through proper procedure etc, they’re exposed.

She was seen, it was in her pocket and CCTV also showed her taking it from the bag.

Nobody’s saying that.

What’s being said is that there’s a way it needs to be done to protect the employer from any subsequent claim of unfair dismissal.

And we don't know if that was done or not in this case.

Most of the time it really is a simple conversation when you work in an industry full of computerized tills and CCTV.

I get the feeling some people are coming at this from a world of office/factory style "he said, she said" HR complains.

In a criminal case a judge would clearly mitigate that and say the accused did not benefit from the theft.

Were the other staff members that got cheaper drinks sanctioned too? They must have known they underpaid.

It seems very heavy handed of the employer to go for the barman. Where is the due process employers are supposed to follow when embarking on a sacking ?

Just because you did it, doesn't mean it is allowed. Worth noting that cctv evidence is not always enough too.

A week off from looking for a job.

There's more to this than the OP is telling us or that the son is telling his father.

I used to frequent a pub some years ago and regularly witnessed one part time, (weekend) barman serve a group of 4 sometimes up to 6 of his mates (their tipple of choice was Fat Frogs in pint glasses) One lad would hand over a €10.00, barman would open the till and go thru the motions and give back at least €6 or €7 in loose change. It later transpired that what I witnessed was just the tip of the iceberg. (pub no longer in business)

My sister in law and her husband bought a pub, it was their first time in the pub trade and to say they were green is an understatement. It's over 3 hours drive from us so we only visit a few times a year. On my second visit I nearly fell off my seat when I recognized the bar man on duty - he was the very same lad who was serving the free Fat Frogs to his friends.

To cut a long story short hidden cameras were put in place and he was caught 'fiddling the till' big time and other indiscretions. Needless to say he was sacked and he immediately threatened solicitors letters, unfair dismissal case etc. in labour court....but when he realised there was video evidence he disappeared without trace.

It turned out that he had glowing references from two previous bars he worked in one being my old local, both turned out to be bogus which were taken at face value and not checked out.😒

Its very common in this forum, there are people who think every business is constantly in the WRC because they didn't use the right words when giving a warning, and that every SME has a full HR department to deal with their 5 staff.

He undercharged a couple of mates for pints. He shouldn’t have done it and he ultimately paid a heavy price.

But a bit of perspective. it wasn’t exactly a heist.

My son worked in the bar trade going to college. he worked in 2-3 different establishments. It was common practice for staff to have one free drink after there shift was over. they did not have any more as they were all driving and those on N liciences did not have any

This young lad gave two other workers a pint at glass prices. Now with how hard its to get decent staff I am surprised the manager threw the clothes off himself. TBH its sound like a sh!thole of a place, what more surprising is that it happened after three years working there. I wonder was the manager on an ego trip or just trying to make an example if it was common practice there or if he was trying to make an example and picked a lad that would be finishing up in 3-6 months anyway.

Not sure if the case went to the WRC how it would be looked at. There was no benefit to him in what he done. Resturants and pubs do not need to find excuses to price gouge at present. Got a pint in Lowary's near Croke Park for 5.5 euro a few weeks ago, same night the young lad paid over a tenner in another establishment in Dublin.

My son worked for 2-3 weeks in a sh!thole of a place in Galway, the manager was fiddling the tips and not paying for all the hours worked. He had to ring the owner to get his money sorted when he finished up.

Good staff are hard to find, anyone can hire donkeys that can only do one drinks order at the time. Experienced staff in any sector are valued. the margin on drink and food is huge.

No sane person would describe this as serious offence on a scale of 1-5 for theft it barely a 1

The person stole, rating the level of theft is odd to say the least.

Not sure how you can figure out from a single post if the person in question is "Good staff" or a "donkeys"

By the way, plenty of good staff will only work on one order at a time.

OP puts up a post that his son knows what he did was wrong and its still picked apart like it's in the supreme court...

Noone is a robot, and whether it was morally right or wrong is far more dependent on the culture of the place then the law. It may have been completely normal practice in the bar among other staff, so he didn't understand how management would actually take it when they found out.