Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

because it was very unlikey and they were in a dangerous position so close to their own line, pretty simple

Very much favored,

Teams (provinces included) seldom play the ball in their own 22 for periods of time, even less so against teams that have been better at the breakdown for almost the entirety of the match.

And again, even less so when trying to kill the clock, you have refs screaming use it, then the pressure on your own team not sealing off or to not knock the ball on.

I'll guarantee you, had Murry not kicked and we gave away a penalty, we'd have the same heads screaming why didn't he kick the ball away.

Depends on how you play it, this is coming I expect from BOD talking about the NZ game, he was roaring at them to stop the one out runners and do a little play between two to three players because the ref will give a penalty. Not to kick the ball away

Against NZ it was one out runners and it was also a ref who loved a high scoring game and didn't like teams closing out games.

The kick was the wrong position and then if they wanted to take from that position then a player with a better boot....

But I still think with 90 seconds left Ireland could of kept the ball in the forwards and played the game out but it's just an opinion

lowe should have moved infield but he stayed on his wing, passing to crowley probably would have gained the same amount of ground more or less

and its 'would have' not 'would of'

So..... who likes the globetrotters this week?

Nah don't think that mate.

Especially when you consider the post you quoted doesn't include the words 'would of'

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We didn't lose the game from one single moment, we were incredibly lucky to even be that close on the scoreboard.

Yeah, we could have been a score or two down by half time, England probably should have had another try at least. We lost because England brought their absolutely best Twickenham game and we weren’t ready for it. 6/2 conspired with injuries to ruin our defence and far too many players had poor games, Murray being only one of them.It’s a pity about the b2b slam slipping away but this should chasten Farrell somewhat. He loves having to deal with adversity or whatever but he got it wrong on Saturday and it cost us. That at least shakes off the wc exit, we have new tragedies to come to terms with.

It's very frustrating how fans grossly over rated James Ryan. To think that him merely being on the pitch means we would have won on Saturday. The arrogance knows no bounds. He's a good player, not a great player. 7.5/10 standard relative to other second rows.

90 seconds isn't short. It's far, far longer than the average ball in play time for a single passage of play.

Referees operate on the basis that teams should be dissuaded from playing negatively to kill games so, in those scenarios, they are hyper-attentive to any indiscretion. Combine that with England surely absolutely flooding every breakdown to force a turnover/penalty and the chances of an Irish player going off their feet, instigating an illegal clear out or not coming through the gate perfectly is extremely high, far more so than in the other 78 minutes.

Regardless, it was a planned move. This wasn't Murray just deciding to kick it. There was a break in play and it would have been discussed and potentially word being given from the coaching team. Win the line out, set up a ruck using your freshest and strongest carrier further out the field to ensure clean ball with a much better angle for the kick. That is all discussed in advance.

The issue wasn't that it was the wrong play. The issue was that it was a poor execution of the right play. A player of Murray's kicking ability will be disgusted with not even reaching the 10m line from the edge of his 22 from that spot. England get a strike play opportunity well inside our half as opposed to potentially having to launch a different play if they were 10-15m further back which is where Murray would have been hoping to hit.

Indeed you are correct but to immediately go for a kick and not go through one or two phases and get Lowe into a position to kick was a mistake. IMHO.

Cave or Lenihan said last night that in those 90 seconds you could have up to 8 phases of play, that's way too long to be pussy footing around in your own 22 in the dying minutes of a match, more so when England were not being dominated by our pack.

One of the issues was that our winger was on the other side of the field so the kick chase wasn't really an option but even then our defence wasn't to the standard we have come to expect from Ireland.

For whatever reason, we were below par and England upped their game, that's why we lost.

Lowe could have been an option after one or two phases.