General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

What McGinn did was a definite red, just like a forceful high foot will always be called.

I'm not taking a side on whether it should be called or not. My personal opinion has no bearing on anything.

The simple fact is some card it and others don't.

Don't mix up what I'm saying with me defending anything. It appears you are doing that.

I simply stated that different referees have different opinions on things.

I said that suggesting that a referee is treating Liverpool unfairly is ridiculous.

I also said that Nunez scored a goal a couple of weeks ago where his foot was very high and close to a defenders head and it wasn't called but another referee would have called it.

I'm sure if the referee did call it you'd be on here telling us how referees are unfair to Liverpool. The fact you had weren't on here telling us that Nunez getting away with that and calling yesterday's incident a definite yellow card would make you a hypocrite, that's if you seen the Nunez one.

I think the distinction is contact with another player. I think it’s true that a dangerous high foot that doesn’t make contact is sometimes called, sometimes not. I can’t think of any examples where a dangerous high foot that does make contact isn’t given as a foul.

Last week on Konaté by Yeats

Liverpool didn't get the foul but got given the drop ball

And everybody else was outraged by that

From Law 12: Fouls & Misconduct

Doku's challenge must not have met the criteria. 🤨

A Liverpool fan trying to now sound less silly is the answer to that question you ask.

As I said I'm just talking about the facts.

As mentioned above the tackle on Konate by Yeats is a recent example of the foul not being called nevermind carded.

I had no idea you were a Liverpool fan until I read your first post in this conversation. I really don't care who anybody supports. I support Athletic club and I like Blackburn Rovers. I've no skin in the game. I'd have been happy to see Liverpool beat City yesterday as I'd just about rather see them win the league than City. I really hope Arsenal win it as it's been a long time since their last title.

Man City's press officer working extra time in the last 24 hours, setting up an interview with Sky Sports to defend the refereeing decision yesterday!

Pep already had his comments before the game about the referee and now this afterwards.

Wiped out is what match of the day said about the tackle on Nunez. I don't think he could get a red on double jeopardy if it's still a thing.

As a side not aswell as the constant refereeing debates I'm sick of hearing about the supposed injury crisis or inexperienced team Liverpool have.

Whether its due to Klopp or just a fantasic infrastructure in place Liverpool have insane depth from their academy. Theres a minimal if any drop in quality with regard these youngsters coming in. Liverpool have an insane production line going at the minute.

Hes been crocked all year but last year Bajcetic was actually an upgrade on Fabinho when he broke into the team, This year Bradley is already better than Trent at RB, theres very little between Quansah and Matip when it comes to backing up Konate/VVD so it just makes sense to put any minutes into Quansah to develop him over Matip who is winding down at this stage. Similarly they've a splattering of backup midfielders who wouldn't be regulars (Thiago/Gravenberch) injured but again doesnt actually affect the team as McConnell/Clark have been adequate to take their places on the bench.

I didn't say there wasn't contact. Read my list again, I said he started his dive before he got to Ederson's foot. A simple jump up in the air would have avoided contact.

I did say it was a penalty, I did say Ederson should be sent off.

The fact the fringe players coming in have done great doesn’t mean it’s still not a point that Liverpool are in the midst of an injury crisis and that said players are inexperienced for the most part. They had their 2nd choice keeper, 2nd choice RB & LB starting and 5th, arguably 4th choice centre half starting along side Van Dijk.

How the hell did he start his dive before contact when his last move was to touch the ball away before he got tackled?? How can you dive and take the ball around the keeper in the same move, he literally got kicked within milliseconds of touching the ball. And got properly hoofed too.

I don't even know whyI engaged in this one, you're either a complete WUM or someone who has never touched let alone kicked a ball in his life, good luck.

Great player Isak...I know Arsenal are hard on getting Toney, but Isak would be the one for me if I was an Arsenal fan.

I played for 30 years and Ive been coaching 12 now and that's not including the coaching jobs I did in my 20s.

This is just before contact and you can see that Nunez is well into his dive. The face on him like he's just been shot. 😁

That’s a good shout actually he would do well at Arsenal, Newcastle by all accounts have to sell to buy, he’d cost Arsenal a lot but they would sell to them I’d say.

That picture is showing the contact and if someone over 6 came running out at me full pelt and kicked me full force in the leg as i was sprinting past him, I wouldn't be exactly smiling!

It is right before contact. If he'd jumped over him there's less chance of injury as well. He took contact because he started diving before he got there and didn't have time to get his feet up.

Also you wouldn't have a face like that on you the second you felt contact, it takes a second or two before the pain hits. I'm sure you know that from personal experience.

Ya, if they could negotiate with Newcastle. He would be a serious coup.

My main issue with Toney on the field is he offers very little in the way of work rate and defensive play, bar City with Haaland, not many top teams will accommodate someone like him.

Time is an illusion to this fella.....

I played for over 30 years and was fouled many times. Not once did I feel pain instantly, it always took a second or two at least to register in my brain.

As for Ederson's injury, I never discussed that. If you are trying to suggest I didn't say it was a rash challenge I don't know where you are getting that from? Maybe be ause I said he prevented a goalscoring opportunity you came to the conclusion that I didn't think it was a rash challenge? I just mentioned the prevention of a goalscoring opportunity because that's an instant red card.

Any more wrong about what? His dive? His facial expressions?

Please stop with the dive talk, you're just making yourself sound silly on this one....

As for the facial expression stuff, christ I don't even know where to start with that. Do we need to take a record of everyones facial reactions now to gauge where they're at on the pain barrier? Like if Jesus goes down in his next Arsenal match, can we be like, ah he shouted louder this time, its still a penalty, but yellow card for the over exuberance?