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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,327 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Two picks, Solchat market cap 50mil, social app. Print, 6mil cap. Transfer fees are high and distributed to holders in SOL.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,368 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Of topic but are we really at the cusp of solid state batteries with 1000km range that can top up in 5 mins? If that is coming, how many years until we have the electrical infrastructure to supply such requirements. I'm taking both general network and actual power generation considering we are struggle to power the country as is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 939 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    If we don’t have petrol stations then how is the lambo gonna run?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,051 ✭✭✭BKtje


    One point you haven't mentioned is that a crypto transfer has (in theory) no exchange fees. It's the same in Brazil, Ireland, Switzerland and Hong Kong. The amount is the amount, no transfers from Euro to CHF and currency exchange fees, very low cost (if you select the correct network). Yes you currently need an on and off ramp which sort of negates this advantage but maybe one day you won't. It will be an uphill battle to dethrone the current system and maybe it never will but there are clear advantages though still a long way to go with regarding ease of use for Joe and Mary Bloggs. We are still very early in the adoption cycle but the number of daily users in the crypto sphere is rising, albeit slowly. I think we were at half a billion regular users in June of last year which has surely risen now with the uptrend.

    Time will tell but at the very minimum, certain aspects of crypto are here to stay.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,327 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    You push it with your hand while going bbbbbrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmm.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,051 ✭✭✭BKtje




  • Registered Users Posts: 939 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    That kinda defeats the purpose of owning a lambo, ugly too from the outside



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,807 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Sorry but just to be clear, I've no intention whatsoever in buying crypto. Probably as likely as Charlie Munger at this stage.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,036 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Okay just to address this

    "In theory". In practice I've spent far more in crypto transfers and exchange fees in the last 7 years than I've spent on bank accounts/transfers in my entire life.

    That aside, yes some crypto moves fast and (almost) feeless, but we have cash systems that can move stuff fast and (almost) feeless.

    Take Revolut for example. Transfers to other revolut accounts? Free. Transfers to domestic accounts? Free. Transfers to the EU? Free. Transfers outside Europe? Usually around 0.15% or 0.20%.

    As for the "this is early yet". It's 15 years. Crypto purchases (after a peak) are decreasing. The public don't want to pay for their rent/utilities/groceries/etc in thousands of different volatile private assets or stable-coins no matter how "fast and feeless" they are. People don't want to play with passwords and one mistake and it's gone. Business absolutely doesn't want to touch that.

    Maybe there's a future with fully regulated crypto stable-coins as alternative currencies (and not risky **** like Tether and Terra)



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,051 ✭✭✭BKtje


    I agree with a lot of what you say and most original crypto chain fees are incredibly high. I'd be in the same boat as you with regards to fees but that has changed since moving to the solana eco system.

    Do I see crypto being used as a currency in the future? Perhaps but that's not what I think it's main use case will be. Governments for the most part won't want to lose control of their economy and that's probably for the best.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 810 ✭✭✭Tango One


    Which one of you was it :)


    "Cryptocurrency trader, Graham De Barra, with an address at Rua Praia, Ribeira Seca in Portugal was the subject of a Revenue audit case for the under-declaration of income tax. Total settlements exceeded €202k, which included €89k in tax, €45k in interest and €67k in penalties. The total amount of €202k was unpaid. "



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭Alexus25


    So I was thinking of investing approx 2k in Bitcoin on coinbase, any thoughts or suggestions?



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,081 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    He's my new hero.

    Doubly so after finding he's likely a human rights campaigner who has said some very intelligent things about decriminalising drugs that align well with my own views

    As I said in another thread, I was just after reading the tax treaty with Portugal. I saw no mention of enforcement, so I don't think the Portuguese are going to go chasing payment on Revenue's behalf.

    Also with regard to CGT, the treaty makes no mention of that steaming turd of a 3 year CGT disposal rule, so it's probably safe to say it's unenforceable hopium nature is recognised at official levels.

    I wonder did some Irish lawyer try it on with his Portuguese counterpart when they were negotiating the treaty and got a reply related to unnatural acts with his burro?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,368 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    It's been in a hole for the past 2 years. You are abit late to the party. Some here think it's still a good bet and could possibly even double from here but equally you.could be left holding bitcoin worth half what you.paid for it for a year or 2.

    I'm certainly not buying in at this stage. I bought somewhere close to the bottom in last collapse so will take my cash in the next few weeks I'm thinking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭deadduck


    Although I hold neither, if I were you, I’d be doing something like 60/30 BTC/ETH, and then maybe 10% into SOL (or ADA).

    Of course DCA is always advisable too, and don’t be in a hurry for profits. ‘Time in the market’ is always better than ‘timing the market’!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭deadduck


    This is probably a stupid hypothesis, but I wonder will this mean the likes of the Ethereum ETF will arrive sooner rather than later?



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭Alexus25




  • Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭HGVRHKYY


    All EU countries are part of a programme where they will cooperate for the recovery of taxes for individuals from other jurisdictions, so revenue could definitely pursue that through the Portuguese revenue service; that's likely how they obtained his address/details.


    You're only safe if you either leave the EU or do things correctly (this means becoming non-resident in Ireland, which takes 3+ years as far as I remember. But even then, until you go all the way and become non domiciled, you have a limit of how much you can dispose of apparently (think it's around €1m or so). Anyone considering relocating for something like this needs to do a lot of research and be certain to cover themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭Alexus25


    Thank you, where are you getting your insight from if you dont hold either? Also, what's ETH and what's SOL and ADA and DCA.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,754 ✭✭✭el diablo


    Looks like you've a lot of research to do before jumping into the market. Bitcoin's price is at an all time high now so it's a risky time to get involved. The price can continue to rise from here and go a lot higher but only speculate with money you can afford to lose. ETH is Ethereum, the number two ranked crypto (it's still 18% below its previous all time high price). SOL (Solana) and ADA (Cardano) are two riskier plays with more potential upside.

    (DCA)-Dollar-cost averaging is the system of regularly buying a fixed dollar amount of a specific investment, regardless of the price.

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dollarcostaveraging.asp

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭Alexus25




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,327 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Would have been cheaper to pay. 89k owed now 202k.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,368 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Not paid though.

    I doubt they will see a penny if he has left Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Ireland Inc®️ 2016: "Crypto? What's that? I'm sure it's like gambling"

    Ireland Inc®️ 2017: "Come on lads, cough up the CGT - 33%, thanks!"

    Ireland Inc®️ 2022: "You made a loss? Tough sh!t investing in a risky asset"

    Ireland Inc®️ 2024: "That crypto you have stored away, that is undeclared income. Pay IT, PRSI, USC. 50%, thanks!"

    And they wonder why all the young people are moving away from this hell hole 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 939 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    I would disagree with people saying entering the market now is risky, it looks healthier to me now than it ever has before, it really depends on peoples expectations from here, if the guy with 2k buys BTC now at 73k usd, then 110k is 1000 profit, and 90k is 500 profit. Ok something may happen now where BTC drops to 60k and doesn't go back up to 90-110 for a few months but I haven't seen anyone with an understanding in the crypto market say BTC wont reach 100k in the near future.

    There's a high probability that you can make at least 25% profit on BTC within this year from buying at this point, the problem is a lot of people will now start appearing with expectations of much greater than 25% profit. But still 25% is good money.

    Alts is a different story, put 2k in now and you could still 3-5x your money, but a reasonable understanding of the market is required, which one to pick, when to get out, when a drop of 50% of your money can be somewhat normal in a healthy market, etc.

    Where I can understand people feeling like they have missed the boat at this point, to say you cannot make money from here in a bull market is just plain wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Secret Token (SCRT) blasting off 24%. Bought a nice chunk of this in November purely for the 20-24% staking rewards. Was thinking "that's a nice cushion on a risky token that has a 21 day unstake period". didn't think it would triple in value as well 😊



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,368 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I'm not aware of a private individual having to pay anything other than cgt on disposal of crypto.

    Can you direct me to something that says its subject to income tax and the rest?



  • Registered Users Posts: 939 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    You can buy some crypto, hold onto it for a while, sell it for a profit and you owe cgt.

    If you do that frequently enough, buy and sell for a profit on a number of occasions it can then at some point be deemed an income, so income tax can be due. Where exactly the line between the two is I’ve no idea.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Only going off the article discussed above:

    Cryptocurrency trader, Graham De Barra, with an address at Rua Praia, Ribeira Seca in Portugal was the subject of a Revenue audit case for the under-declaration of income tax. Total settlements exceeded €202k, which included €89k in tax, €45k in interest and €67k in penalties. The total amount of €202k was unpaid.

    If Revenue decide that your trading behaviours exceed a certain threshold they will pursue you for income tax instead of CGT. This is based off the "Aggregate Consideration" a nonsense perspective on your investments which is the sum of all the sell amounts of a specific product. It is scumbaggery of the highest level by Government/Revenue (just look at the "interest" and "penalties" amounts above) and is clear evidence of a highly socialist state.




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