Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

How come nobody is whinging about all the sanctions against Russia. Blatant discrimination against followers of the Russian Orthodox Church. Given that the population mainly follows that religion and almost 90% of its followers live there.

Will be interesting to see the Hamas reaction to this given how they shield themselves using innocent civilians. If they try to stop the people from leaving, that would truly be a genocide on their part. If they let the people leave, then they are trapped in an enclosed area and really at the mercy of indiscriminate bombing. The situation for them is truly bleak.

The only rational decision for Hamas is to release the hostages and work out a surrender deal. Unfortunately we're not dealing with rational people.

Ah yes. more IDF gaslighting. I find it amazing how many gullible people are so willing to gobble it up.

Reminds me of the one a few months back when they helpfully suggested that a million or so refugees could move to something like a 1km x 1km stretch of wilderness waste ground ...... and then bombed it anyway.

Battered wife syndrome. Just explain to them why it's actually their fault that you are beating and killing them. Or even better still, convince yourself why they deserve it.

A more rational decision for Hamas via-a-vis the hostages would be to execute them. It would expose the lie that the Israelis are only committing their genocide to get them back. And if the Israelis were actually being truthful (if such a thing were hypothetically possible) then it removes their claimed motivation for the ongoing genocide.

The mask slips.

"I don't support Hamas, but I am for them killing innocent hostages".

You keep repeating this over and over and over, playing this as the poor Israel card as if what has happened over the course of its existence was not inevitable. So let me try again as you completely ignored my last post on this.

It was the Zionists choice to try and set up a state in lands already occupied. They knew the consequences they would face, and just in case there was any doubt, the Crane-King commission of 1920 laid it out in plain writing, it was a bad idea that would lead to bloodshed and they would be better of looking for somewhere else to settle. The Zionists were always fully aware that the creation of any state would be soaked in bloodshed, but they were willing to pay that price. Foolishly the British backed them in their project, then realised belatedly it was going to be a disaster as predicted, passed the buck to the UN who solidified an already bad situation with their partition plan. It was inevitable that Israel would be attacked as the British and subsequently UN completely ignored the wishes ot the majority of the population. You make your bed and you lie in it, the Zionists always knew the risks so they can hardly play the poor little victim now.

You said it would make hamas a party to genocide. That suggests there is another party ie. Israel. At least you admit it will be genocide I suppose. Hopefully you don't support it when it happens then.

Israel is committing war crimes since Oct 7th. They are no better than Hamas, make no mistake.

"A more rational decision for Hamas via-a-vis the hostages would be to execute them. It would expose the lie that the Israelis are only committing their genocide to get them back."

Rational?

What dictionary are you using for that definition? Would you advocate for them to do this?

Its not entirely clear what the pro israeli argument is regarding the hostages. If they are returned should Israel be forced to stop killing civilians in the tens of thousands, or is this still okay to continue? If in that scenario they are also waiting on Hamas to surrender then they may be supporting the killing of civilians for god knows when.

Surely Hamas got the reaction they wanted. They can get international sympathy for Palestine. While their own provocation to spark this with handgliders, bulldozers, kidnapping, and firing thousands of rockets is forgotten. As images of dying children take it’s place. Israel’s reaction can be painted as disproportionate. But what would have been proportionate? Wagging a finger at Hamas?

I wonder do Hamas consider it a success as they hide among civilians using them as PR points?

Palestine is home to most Palestinians and they have been attacked constantly by Israel. What of it?

“Jews Jews Jews” like that is some magic incantation that means Israel can do no wrong and are eternal victims.

Say that again but for the illegal settlements on Palestinian land. Or for Israeli military facilities in residential areas.