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The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,810 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    GAA players hoping for NFL contracts:

    IRISH TRIO RORY Beggan, Mark Jackson and Charlie Smyth were in action at the NFL International Combine in Indianapolis last night. The inter-county goalkeepers competed as kickers as NFL scouts watched on at Lucas Oil Stadium, with former Connacht full-back Darragh Leader partaking in a series of punting drills today.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/nfl-combine-irish-2-6316583-Mar2024/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    A team selecting a kicker through the international pathway could make sense.

    Not as high ceiling pick as other positions but could be more likely to hit than another position picking up the sport so late.

    Get to keep a bonus player on the practice squad that could help in an emergency and not mean cutting someone they like from the main or practice rosters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,396 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Jason kelce has officially retired from the NFL. What a player he was for the eagles, and imo it’s not a case of if, but when he will be in canton.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,396 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Also russell Wilson has been cut by the broncos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,053 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Kelce is the best center I ever seen. Jeff Saturday was a great one but he didn't get upfield and block very often.

    Gotta go and see how much the Broncos get caught capwise for Wilson. They'll have to go draft a QB, no way than can afford a free agent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,396 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Andrew Brandt thinks it will go down as one of worst in NFL history. The seahawks took the broncos for a ride.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,053 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He'll go to the Bucs, Vikes, Falcons or even back to Seattle on a one year deal now and light it up. It's always the way when you burn money like that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    They don't have that much high draft capital. Would probably have to be a later guy.

    Feel one of the FA QBs would sign on for a cheap enough deal to get a chance to start there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,620 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    What's with Sean Payton and his teams having crippling cap situations? Been an utter shitshow for the Broncos so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,053 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,465 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    It's getting little or no talk here but three GAA players took part in The Combine as kickers on Sunday.

    They were part of the International Player Pathway.

    Now I know the Irish media hype up any Irish guy who even plays on a college team,( I've read reports of guys potentially making the NFL only to read further down the page that they are going to some FCS Division 3 school) but these guys have better chances, they were at least doing drills in front of teams in Indy.

    They have now gone back to their camp in Florida awaiting contact from teams.

    According to the guy who was coaching them and runs a kicker academy there was interest from teams who wanted to find out more after seeing them in Indy, but he would say that, wouldn't he.

    Not sure if anything will come of it, kickers are a dime a dozen and there are plenty of college kickers out there who have played in real game situation, so why hire a guy from a completely different sport.

    By the way the guys are Rory Beggan from Monaghan, Mark Jackson from Wicklow and Charlie Smyth from Down.

    Beggan would be by far the most high profile in GAA, one of the most high profile goalkeepers in the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,931 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    It's important to keep in mind that they were in the international combine. One reason they might hire them over more directly experienced kickers is that if you pick an international player they can take an extra practice squad spot, so they aren't taking up any space on the roster. So they have a chance to at least be signed. But only a tiny handful of players have ever been signed from the international combine so it's a long shot to say the least.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol



    Trade itself for Wilson wasn't too bad, even though there were some questions at the time about whether he was on a downturn in performance. It was throwing the contract at him so early and unnecessarily that was incredibly dumb.

    Watson is however shaping up to potentially be worse on all counts, though still has time to pull things back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,451 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    I thought the International Combine was waht happens in London, months ago, to gain access to the International Program in Florida. What they took part in last week was the Regular Combine in Indianapolis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,931 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Oh yeah you're right about that I think, my apologies, but it still holds true that if a team signs them they don't take up a spot on the practice squad, you're allowed have one extra player if he's international like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Jaguars tweeted this a few days ago, and have updated their UK Twitter account to be named their "UK and IE" account. They've also been retweeting some Irish NFL podcast and have been including Irish flag emojis on everything.

    So they're definitely making an effort to include the Irish market. I know they got "exclusive rights" to Ireland last year which sounds ridiculous, but I wonder if this momentum means an Irish game is in the pipeline in the coming years.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,451 ✭✭✭Shedite27




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,525 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Jags and Steelers.

    Here are the full rights for all teams/countries.

    NFL Announces Growth of Global Markets Program with the Addition of Two New Clubs and Four New Markets | NFL Football Operations

    I think people need to ignore anything the Steelers and Jags say about games in Ireland, expressing a wish for such etc. Ultimately the decision has next to nothing to do with the individual team, it will be made at an NFL level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,160 ✭✭✭amacca


    How did rees zammit get on?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,053 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    It could mean a UK franchise might be coming. It's always been rumoured that the Jags would relocate to London if the opportunity arose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,290 ✭✭✭✭paulie21


    Eagles signing Barkley, Cousins off to Atlanta



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    Not sure about that Cousins signing by Atlanta they are miles off contending for a SB I don't think Cousins will win you one. I won't be surprised on a 4 year contract like that it could turn out all Russell Wilson-esque for them by year 2 of that deal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,053 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I can't believe the contract they gave Cousins. A 35 year old QB coming off a bad injury gets four years and €45 million per year. It's insane but Blank is an idiot so I suppose it's not that surprising.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21 Frisch_The_Frenchie


    Sam Darnold. 😭😭😭 What’s the point of making JJ richer than God if the QB is seeing ghosts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,092 ✭✭✭Christy42


    2 year deal realistically. Nearly all the guaranteed money is front loaded. Cousins again seems to get nice years for these deals with no other big QB signings.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭boccy23


    From Twitter or X or whatever.....

    "Kirk Cousins could become the highest-paid player in NFL history. Guaranteed $330M with in total career earnings so far with room to get to $410M before 40th birthday."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭csirl


    Arent these guys among the 16 that are already signed to the IPP for 2024 - along with that Welsh rugby player.

    They get a 2 year PS squad contract as an extra player on the PS, but are not allowed to be activated to the full roster while in the 2 year program (but can drop out and take their chances as a regular player if they want).

    After 2 yrs in the IPP they are on their own. I think the NFL wants every team to have an IPP PS squad player - hence 16 being signed per annum from 2024 onwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭csirl


    P.S. on the back of the publicity a load more intercounty GAA players have joined the leader kicking program hoping to make it in 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,796 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    It's a very weak division and adding Cousins makes them favourites. They had nothing at QB last year and went 7-10. I'm not convinced Cousins gets you anywhere in the playoffs, but, in that division, he probably gets you there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    Yeah Cousins is a great signing for the Falcons if they just want to make the play-offs to take heat off the owner but NFC South probably can't get any weaker over next couple of seasons and Cousins front loaded salary now leaves them very little free agency wriggle room so they will need to hit well in the draft to become anywhere near SB contenders. Falcons in 2023 are not like say the Bucs in 2019 or the Rams in 2020 who were possibly a franchise QB away from winning a SB



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,931 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    A lot of bears fans very disappointed with the cousins signing because they were hoping to get decent picks in exchange for fields from Atlanta. I think we are starting to see that his real value in the league is lower than they might have hoped. Especially as he is entering his fourth year, I think they'll be very lucky if they get a third for him at this point, and wouldn't be shocked if they kept him for the year and also drafted Williams. In fact this would be ideal if bears fans could have patience and let Williams be a back up for a year, and see if fields can grow. But the first sign of any trouble and they'd clamor for Williams, and they'd get him too because our HC knows he's on the chopping block.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    That "stacked" 2021 QB class looks worse by the day.

    Jones, Wilson, Lance - all busts.

    Fields - his team is already moving on from him and no one seems desperate to take him on. Practically a bust.

    Lawrence looks just above average but certainly not the second coming of Montana he was promoted to be.

    Even 2nd and 3rd rounders are flaming out. Mills has already been replaced. Trask was never good enough to be considered for the TB job so they signed Mayfield instead. Mond is out of the league.

    As a Pats fan, while it will be exciting to draft a QB at 3 overall, I think I'd prefer Harrison or Alt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 834 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    There's been a lot of discussion on Raiders fan groups about the idea that Fields might provide a cheap upgrade allowing the Raiders to stand pat at 13 in the draft and concentrate on other areas (and there are a lot of areas to be addressed). Atlanta was seen as a probably destination for Fields but now Cousins has gone there, it may well be a more realistic option for LV. Especially now Chicago know they cant command a kings ransom for him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭cosatron


    2020 top 5 qb are absolute studs, Burrow, tua, herbert, love and Hurt. Drafting QB is all luck.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Bears have a decent side at this stage so I dont see the benefit in sitting him, especially for a guy like Fields.

    You want to give Williams as many reps as you can. Williams and Fields arent alike in play style so you wouldn't even have a consistent environment for him. Fields cant provide vet experience that other backup options do. If they had another year on Fields' contract that could make him tradeable I could see it being worth the risk but he doesn't.

    They'll have to take what they can get for him, I'd say sooner rather than later or the decent vet backups will be gone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    They could have had prime Lamar for not that much more than what they're now paying old Cousins coming off a serious injury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,931 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Yeah the raiders might be a good spot for him, and as you say, they're nearly the only spot for him, so you can probably get him for a third or fourth. It's nearly a guarantee we are taking Williams with that first pick, so we don't have much leverage at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,620 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Cousins is a better QB than Jackson imo. 35 coming off of an injury isn't a death knell. Brady was just hitting his prime at the stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,931 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    I can see the sense in all that except for the claim that we have a decent team. I think we have a decent defense but our oline and receivers (except Moore) are not up to scratch and have been a big part of why Fields hasn't developed (along with his own limitations obviously).

    I wouldn't be surprised if they hold on to fields and hope to trade him in season when a starter elsewhere gets injured, and they can negotiate from a position of strength. Right now they are kind of in no man's land with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    I think due to the amount of franchise QB needy teams every NFL draft is now suffering from the "stacked" overhype on QBs that simply some draft classes themselves will be hits and some will be misses just the like the individual QBs themselves, makes for good TV though and retrospective analysis a few years later.

    I never bought the 2021 class I really think the madness at the peak of the pandemic went to some experts and GMs heads that year



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,053 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Except Cousins is known for upping his game in contract years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,451 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    I agree it's safer to take Alt but you're very unlikely to get to a Superbowl without an elite QB. You have to take a chance eventually.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Rosalie Wailing Pennon


    First Madubuike signs his extension and now...


    I'm naming my first born Eric DeCosta.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Jasper Fit Pedestrian


    Very unlikely to do so throwing a young qb into a bad situation either in fairness. Thats the catch 22 i guess if your good enough to draft the qb you dont have the pick to do so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,053 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    There's no guarantee that we can get an elite QB in this draft. All if them have questions to answer. Caleb Williams hasn't played well against a good defense, Maye went backwards last year and there's big questions over whether Daniels will be successful in the NFL with his tools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Garopollo is now available so all our prayers have been answered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,451 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Absolutely, and there's a reason there's no right or wrong answer. My point is you can spend your drafts picking up tackles and linemen all you want, that builds a "good" team, but usually comes up short when you're palying Allen/Mahomes/Brees/Lamar etc. At some point you have to take a shot at these QB's and take the shot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,351 ✭✭✭✭ELM327




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,053 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well with my team there's a lot of holes, especially on offense. We are very poor at wide receiver and there's a superstar that is likely there at 3. If you get him you don't need an elite QB, just a solid one as he'll bail you out and he opens up the field when double teamed.

    We also need to fix a pathetic offensive line.

    There is no use drafting a QB when your offensive line is crap and you don't have a good set of receivers. Your QB will lose confidence and develop bad habits.

    Mac Jones never had a chance after a decent rookie season. He was on the run a lot. He did okay in '22 with Jakobi Meyers to throw to but he has nothing last season. The offensive line was horrendous for the last two years. I was very annoyed that he was traded. I felt he should get a chance if they fixed things with a rookie let develop on the bench.

    Anyway I don't think it matters much. I was happy with Mayo getting the head coaching job when Belichick went but I'm losing belief quickly in him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Why are you losing belief in Mayo? What has he done (or not done) that makes you lose belief?



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