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Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,789 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The monkstown farm divert makes no sense, the bus stops that would be skipped are a quick walk away and makes the services much more reliable and timely. Clutching pearls about the elderly doesn't change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,836 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Well if you want to go out and explain that to the locals there, then good luck!

    Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s not right.

    Sending the 63 any other way just duplicates the 46a or L25.

    At the risk of repeating myself, the 63 is not there to be a quick bus. It is a local community bus route, one that is totally PSO. Every bus network has a mix of different types of bus routes.

    If you want a quick bus that’s what the 46a and L25 are.

    The bus network is there to serve everyone, not just you!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Tarabuses


    If the 63 (and L27) are diverted away from Monkstown Farm that also removes the link from Abbey Road to Dun Laoghaire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Which amendment passed for Clarinda?

    The bigger one or the smaller one!?

    I was watching and the council said they liked neither



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,198 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    LOL the usual excuses amounting to if its not perfect we shouldnt do it, as with every infrastructure project we attempt in this country the enemy of good is perfect



  • Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Whats the issue, the councillors went on a junket and nothing they saw convinced them that cycling is never going to be more than a minority pursuit and we cant organise our environment around a very small number of cyclists.

    Do you think only cycling fundamentalists should have been allowed to travel.

    These are public reps, some have served many years and know condensing traffic onto less road space will cause total gridlock, ruin the lives of those who now have to live with twice the amount of cars, its just incredible that anyone thinking closing Tivoli Road is a workable solution when the coastal road is closed Southbound, its leaving reality outside the door and engaging in escapism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭Consonata


    This isn't at all what they said. Did you even read the article.



  • Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    I dont see the issue, some councillors went on a trip, liked what they saw and voted for changes on Tivoli Road and changes to Georges St.

    Other councillors see that changes to one road is going to cause massive issues elsewhere and an exit out of a town should be open to buses and taxis.

    I mean is no one allowed to speak out against cycling propaganda.

    The desperate part is the waste of money, cycling numbers arent increasing, if they were we would be told all about it.

    Why cant we invest the same amount of money in sports facilities, think how many public swimming pools/ gyms we could have, how many padel tennis courts, you cant play padel tennis anywhere in DL the demand is so high.

    The Living Streets scheme is going to cause massive congestion in Monkstown Farm and Glenageary road, its infuriating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    No Padel Tennis planned for Clarinda Park?

    Come on DLRCC, make everything right in the world.

    Just one court is all we ask.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,198 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Ahh come one now its quite obvious from their contributions in the thread that maisie doesn't ever read whats linked, they just glance at the headlines and then post their assumptions on what they think might be in it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    We need lots of padel tennis courts, put them in every park, put table tennis tables in too and chess tables.

    Build public gyms as well, charge a reasonable cost, build more swimming pools, build badminton halls, invest in basketball courts,all of this would do more to encourage a healthy lifestyle than haranguing people about car usage.

    Outside of commuting time there is simply no demand for cycling, its simply never going to be popular in the climate we live in, I can cycle up and down the coastal route Monday to Friday and maybe meet three people.

    Meanwhile Tivoli road is rammed with cars and once that option is gone the traffic will move to Monkstown Farm, insanity is repeating the same thing over and over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,517 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    "Meanwhile Tivoli road is rammed with cars and once that option is gone the traffic will move to Monkstown Farm, insanity is repeating the same thing over and over"

    Just like you do everytime you make a post here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭TheHouseIRL


    Build outdoor padel courts, table tennis and chess tables? With our climate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Nevermind climate change, huge numbers of people play outdoor sports year round every week in Ireland. Rugby, football etc but also things like tennis that would be even more comparable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    I’m amazed with the amount of people complaining about the changes to Dun Laoghaire. Let’s face it, the place is a dump since the 1990’s. It lacks any positive atmosphere, the shops are struggling, cafes struggle to gain any momentum, bars are awful and there’s no critical mass to make the place a success. It’s a place to drive through, not a place to stop and enjoy. The only things that offer hope are the success of the market and Living Streets! I did some work with someone who was involved in sorting out the shopping centre & the plan was to keep it ticking over rather than to improve it because there’s just not enough footfall in the area. So, without major investment & a huge rethink about how the area presents itself, Dun Laoghaire will only deteriorate further. The Living Streets project is a major step forward in improving the outlook businesses and making the place better for local and visitors.

    This runs deeper than stopping cars going down certain streets, it’s potentially got very serious implications for the local economy.

    As for complaints about outdoor tennis courts… it's the most stupid comment I've heard in a long time. Complainers will say anything to support their case, but it just proves that they are oposing things for all the wrong reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    I've only lived in DL since 2015 but I've always liked spending time in the town and while I agree that it needs some improvement I think you're stretching it to say it lacks any positive atmosphere.

    It suffers by comparison to upmarket villages like Monkstown and Glasthule on either side but it's easy for those places to put up some fairy lights and price anyone undesirable out of the area. DL Is a medium sized town with a large harbour and it has all walks of life on its streets. That's what I like about it. But I also like that they're always trying to improve things. In fact most other places use DL as an example to strive towards and certainly don't see it as a dump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 816 ✭✭✭cobham


    Took the new bus L25 today down to Dun Laoire. You need to get off on York Road at Vesey stop to get to the main street. Graffiti now on the new art work in Myrtle Square. Plenty of seating there and outside the hospital. The new trees in square are coming into leaf so settled in well. There is a fancy filling station for drinking water bottles. Pleased with new busroute as more direct than 46a and still a return stop where Argos used to be. Ah so many vacant units and charity shops…..no sign of a turn around.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Hopefully Living Streets helps bring in some more varied tenants than just charity shops.



  • Registered Users Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Nickindublin


    Unfortunately i think that wont happen. The town needs a couple of big name high street stores to open to have any chance and i dont see that happening. You will probably get more charity shops and coffee shops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I see your point but I guess its difficult for big names to move in as there are no large and well configured units to occupy.

    The old shopping centre is an outdated monstrosity that really influences the whole area. And not in a good way.

    Its a shame it cant be knocked and be modernised because DL has the potential to be very busy.

    I do think Living Streets will help develop outdoor and hospitality options. Clothes/home retail, not so much, as the units just aren't there.

    Hopefully, Living Streets will get in on the outdoor market act as that is a real footfall winner, as per the current Peoples Park market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    Welcome to the area! I've been living here since the 1970's and I remember the town being a hive of activity, it was a regional centre, had all the amenities you could need for both leisure and commerce. It was pleasant and had nice, quality shops. It wasn't second rate compared to places you call upmarket... Monkstown was a local village, Dun Laoghaire was a destination. It has been awful seeing it fall into obscurity. If there isn't radical change, it will very quickly begin to deteriorate and the cost of regeneration will be beyond any perceivable value.

    Living streets will change the dynamic of the town in a positive way. We need to stop making excuses and just do it. Fairy lights don't make a place desirable on their own.

    BTW, Glasthule and Monkstown evolved because Dun Laoghaire could no longer provide local people with the amenities the wanted or needed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Nickindublin


    You need a mixture of shops to attract people. ATM that isnt there.Pennys is the big attraction. Shaws has the potential to attract concession stores.Living Streets will be a roaring success or a disaster IMO. So we will have to wait and see. Something has to be tried.



  • Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    I drove the new cycle lanes being installed in stillorgan park, I was en route to Stillorgan.

    The space left for pedestrians is very narrow, why are pedestrians needs being down graded when there are far more pedestrians than cyclists.

    Also it looks like the cycle lane will cut across the space people will stand in while waiting for a bus, these buses are very frequent now so that cycle path will involve a lot of conflict, whats worse is it will bd with people on electric bikes and scooters which are very fast and heavy.

    I did note a child managed to secure damages from a cyclists home insurance policy, he hit her on a footpath, if a passenger either getting off a bus or getting on is hit by a bike on an official cycle pathwho will be liable.

    Cyclists on electric bikes are now cycling on the footpath at Convent Road( near the school) they do this so they can stay at speed and go straight into the cycle lane, there is going to be a very bad accident on that corner, lots of elderly people going to and from the park use that footpath, its only a matter of time until one of them is under heavy bike/scooter.

    All those battery operated bikes need to have identifying numbers on them, if people think they can hit someone and leave the scene without being identified they will continue with reckless cycling/ scooting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,213 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    If a cyclist on a bike is hit by a passenger getting off a bus or getting on, on an official cycle path, who will be liable.

    All those pedestrians need to have identifying numbers on them, if people think they can hit someone and leave the scene without being identified they will continue with reckless walking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    The cyclists could be cycling at speed so will do a lot more damage than a pedestrian walking into a cyclist.

    The cyclists are generally male and pedestrians are all genders and ages so I would be a lot more nervous of a cyclist ploughing into me that i would of a pedestrian in my way while im cycling.

    I mean why would anyone think its a good idea to put a cycle path through where people wait for a bus, could we not run the cycle lane behind the bus stop, Im paid nothing to come up with my ideas and then we have experts creating problems when a bit of maintenance on an existing bicycle path would be sufficient.

    Is there a bottomless pit available for cycle lanes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 816 ✭✭✭cobham


    Perhaps the bus stop is being relocated/removed? This is how they solved a similar problem on the N11 at the top of Mt Merrion Avenue.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Didnt think of that, think its a fairly new bus stop though, the L25 stops there and these buses are very frequent.

    I drove by today and it looks like cyclists will be routed through where passengers wait.

    The pedestrian area is very narrow too so bus passengers will be crowded on top of each other, I forsee s lot of conflict particularly with speeding electric bikes snd scooters and thats where the growth in cyclists is, massive number of what look like small motorbikes flying in cycle lanes and in parks,just so dangerous.



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