General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

Bad decision to rule out WHUs second goal.

Why? The rule is if it hits the player who scores the goals arm at all then the goal can’t be given.

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United hot favourites for the league game now 😉

He's no Fermanagh Fitzpatrick

I’ve a feeling that 4 points won’t be appealed

Some of the explanation that’s been given, is that some of it relates to cooperation with the proceedings.

Ie. Forest were cooperative with the process and Everton weren’t basically

Forest’s mitigation was that they were balanced by the end of the transfer window, and that it made sense to delay the Brennan Johnson deal until later in the window because they felt theyd get more for him then.

Not sure if they’re thinking they can include Brennan Johnson’s fee in this years accounts also though. They probably do.

Don’t think that would stand up in a court (where these cases ultimately go if required)

I’m not really defending the decision (I suspect the picture is far too big for a casual outsider to properly comprehend).

But the logic will have been that Forest made moves to make themselves compliant, whereas Everton just accepted they weren’t going to be, and didn’t sell a Brennan Johnson. Mitigation seems to be a thing in these cases (which it would be in any court case in fairness).

Masters will be sacked in the next 6 months, ther is no logic to the punishments dished out , stopping 'smaller clubs' been ambitious and trying to compete - whilst ring fencing the big 6. A PR farce , that will fail.

Posted in Everton form....also remember Forest got a 6 point reduction based on Everton's appeal and setting the new standard and 2pts reduced for fully co operating, which seemingly Everton didn't do? I think, because of this this is less chace of a pts reduction for Forest, unless we argue some other point on the Johnson timing, communication with the PL

from Everton forum.....

In a way we are in this together, but you also need to be careful what you wish for Forest, as of your second charge is up next week...

You have to remember Forest had 44m less than everyone else in the PL, and a squad worth pittens as a starting point.

We spent in January knowing we would need to sell by end of June to balance the books, then delayed the Jonson sale to maximise profits (funnily enough), so we were only breaking the rules for 3 months and this was supposedly discussed with PL.

Things that should worry Everton though from the Forest decision are as follows....

PL wanted to give us 8 points when the punishment for insolvency is 9. Part of Everton's mitigation and reduction to 6, and probably helped Forest.

Reports Everton's second breach is between 50m to 80m. I don't know if this is true or not? And you continued to spend in the third year, when you could tried to rebalance?

And finally,....

So Everton's appeal probably helped Forest in a way and you really want Forest punishment to be as low as possible as your back up again?

If Forest end up getting relegated how do the rules of the EFL apply?

I seem to remember they had a massive loss the year of their promotion to the Premier League, with the promotion meaning they couldn't be punished for it as such.

They have 2 games in hand on 7th place West Ham, with 5 points separating them.

I think 7th place can get European football because Liverpool won the league cup and so their Europa Conference League place will be passed down as they will likely qualify for the CL through their own league position.

chelsea will surely have a problem this summer. lots of players on long contracts they wont be able to move on. reece james is a crock. conor gallagher will prob go, aside from that unsure who they sell.

Nobody ever seems to get that these clubs have billions backing them when required. They'll fight it tooth and nail and spend countless hours, days, months and even years to stop this happening. They'll keep.it going until their opponent starts to run out of money or lose. Then they'll offer to pay all their costs so they get all their money back so long as they drop the cases against them.

I'll be surprised if there's any other outcome.

Jesus, what do you expect Forest to do!!!..... go in and say.... you know what you gave Everton 6pts, please give us 8pts thanks, and we will be on our way!!

We already co-operated to the fullest extent, and Forest started 44 million less allowance than almost every other team in the premier league and had to build from a lower base. (The Rules are changing also next year).

Why not use everything we can as mitigation in our defence the the fullest extent? If we didn't it would just be incompetent on our side.

And Everton have been shown to have NOT co-operated fully with the commission...Hence we started at 6pts like Everton and got a reduction of 2pts.

(Not having a go at Everton here, just using their deduction and process as an example)

Extract:-

"The Commission found that the club had demonstrated “exceptional cooperation” in its dealings with the Premier League throughout the process.

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Premier League clubs are permitted a maximum loss of £105m across a rolling three-year period, or £35m each season. For promoted teams that is reduced, meaning Forest were restricted to losses of £61m for the last three campaigns - £13m for the two seasons in the Championship prior to promotion, plus £35m last season."

At least we are there, unlike other teams, who have been in the courts for years....

Let's see if clubs are willing to help Chelsea like Man Utd were last summer.

Conor Gallagher the obvious one to look at this summer coming. Colwill might not have the same market he did last year and Reece James should really be sold if they can find a buyer. But I don't think they will sell 2 of those.

I doubt Todd Boehly cares about potential UEFA sanctions for Chelsea in the short term. A transfer ban won't really affect the club if they have already hoovered up a squad of talented young players. At the end of any such punishment, they'll still have the same talented players that will have matured together and the club will be confident of them being in a position to challenge for trophies.

Not fully understanding how Richarlison came into this. My understanding was that selling Richarlison didn’t make Everton compliant. Am I wrong on this?

Surely they have to sell Lukaku this summer