Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

What?

Who are they going to form it with?

The parties of the left May be willing to negotiate ,but without FF it will come to nothing. FF will do practically anything to stay in government but if they do it will be the end of the party.

Nearly 4,000 posts in and we have got as far as Sinn Fein will form a government with whoever is willing to negotiate a programme for government.

That tells us precisely zero about how Sinn Fein will form a government.

We have nothing on any party being willing to talk with them, we have nothing on Sinn Fein's policies and which ones are not up for negotiation.

Clearly, the emperor has no clothes, and like 2020, there is nothing from anywhere that says Sinn Fein are capable of forming a government. It seems to me that if Sinn Fein even had an overall majority, they would be looking at ways to go into opposition!!!!!

They’ve a chap from South Dublin who is running for them in the next local elections. They’d want to have a word with him. He’s a bit of a loose cannon on twitter.

The excuses are long and winding with Sinn Fein, it's always someone elses fault isn't it

Why do you persist in saying they swapped power

They didn't

That's a Sinn Féin online illusion and everytme you use it now after use of it has been rigidly debunked by historians and journalists alike vs your pretence that voters had a choice,they didn't in part as other parties including Sinn Féin were busy making themselves unelectable

Both parties electorates probably weren't in favour of doing business with Sinn Féin in 2020

They broke one taboo by going into government together,let's see if they break the other after the next election

One things for sure, the next election will deliver a verdict on this government and on current polling I'd expect it to be returned, yay for democracy and what the people want I suppose? If it happens it would be heartbreak and disaster for your party of choice but it would be the people's choice

Power swapped between FF and FG since independence.

You say 'yay for democracy and what the people want', they clearly wanted SF to be in government as much as they wanted either FF or FG. Two parties decided that SF wouldn't be in government on behalf of the people. Both of those parties have not improved their polling as a result.

You debunk away. I will continue to use a perfectly valid description of what happened here.

Simple as this:

FF were in power, then it was FG, then it was FF, then it was FG.

I.E. Power swapped between them. They didn't consciously do it but that is what happened. I think an arrogance was born from that.

You don't agree. Fair enough.

The effective outcome was power swapped between them howsoever they fought. IMO (you are free to disagree) that led to an arrogance which saw two parties that had become almost indistinguishable engaging in a sham fight at elections. I posit the ease with which they coalesced to form a government as proof of that sham.

It is not a lie to say that in making the point I did:

You are seeing collusion where it was not implied. Things happened as they did, and political parties got comfortable/arrogant with it, simple as that.

As I said. You don't agree. That's fine.

Look, you object to a perfectly legitimate descriptive word.

Whatever about fighting elections, what other parties did or didn't do, what way the wind was blowing on election day, effectively power swapped between FF and FG since independence. We know no other parties as leaders in government.

It is basic English. End of discussion now. Your objection is noted.

Off you are off on one again.

More noise from the Sinn Fein propaganda machine.

Yes Ireland had FF and FG in government, we have managed to get to a position that we are one of the best countries in the World to live in. Yes we have issues but so does every country in the World

You think this is a horrible thing, to have people that can get a great education, can get a job, buy a home for the majority, get healthcare etc. Yes we can make improvements in all of these elements but we have those available.

It is not the job of FF or FG to get Sinn Fein into government, that is up to them. They ran an incorrect campaign, had no idea it would be a revolt vote and ended up in a position that they could have got into government. They disappeared then till all of the rest of the parties got bored waiting and created a government. Then Sinn Fein came out crying "it wasn't fair"

You can spin it whatever way you like, of course we got then promised "the best effective opposition" and that likes most things with Sinn Fein has crashed and burned, let us all not forget an alternative budget they couldn't event get right and had to pull it because of mistakes. Never mind the insurance bill by Pearse which would have been a disaster for every person in Ireland paying insurance.

End of discussion is right, but I do expect the 100 posts of the same stuff you have misrepresented 100 times before.

Yes it’s an excuse along with the hundred other you have

I made my point, why would do you need to ask a follow on?

In terms of your prediction, you have no idea on the discussion in any party apart from Sinn Fein, you spent all day here waffling about power swap as if that’s a bad thing when Ireland is an excellent country.

It’s the same noise repeated across all media by seemingly people who just spin out what they are told to say.

Go on tell us about power swap again 🤦‍♂️😂

Or FF and FG are the same party 🤦‍♂️😂