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Importing from the UK - definitive guide (Q and A)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15 lenehandavid


    I am thinking of buying a motor home from a seller up the north. From everything they told me it was originally registered in England, but brought into Ireland in 2020 before the Brexit cutoff date. I believe for VRT purposed I just need to have the V5 form? If so, when looking at the V5 form from the seller, what exactly am I looking for on it that proves it was in NI before the cutoff date? also, will VRT/Revenue ask me for anything else?


    Apologies if this has been answered before but I couldn't find it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭User1998


    The change of ownership date to the owner in Northern Ireland will suffice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭Sono


    Has anyone ever bought a car from MHH international? They have a car I am interested in, I see they do will bring the car into Ireland for you too, would appreciate feedback on costs for this service too if anyone has used them, thanks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 material


    Hi all.

    Looking for some advice on this VRT/Customs/Duty situation.

    The car in question:

    1.      Buying from NI main dealer

    2.      Car has NI registration plate (ABC1234) There is no indication on V5C of registration number changing at any stage.

    3.      Car first registered in early Dec 2020

    4.      Car has service history with NI garages. (I don’t believe car ever moved to GB but have no other proof)

    5.      Car is not quoted as VAT qualifying.

    6.      Car V5C indicates 1no. Former Keeper  

    7.      Current V5C shows listed owner as being a vehicle rental co. with GB address shown.

    8.      V5C shows them (I presume) acquired vehicle in Dec 21

    9.      V5C states vehicle was new on first registration.

    Any questions – please ask.

    I have no problem with paying VRT on this.

    However where would this car stand in relation to Customs & Duty charges? Is there anything to be concerned about.

    Thanks in advance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,581 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    If the current owner from 2021 has a main land uk address, you could be in bother in terms of vat and duty.

    If buying in NI, I'd like a car with clear NI history so as not to muddy the waters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 lenehandavid


    Here is a slightly unusual situation. Looking at buying motorhome from a company in NI that were using it as a rental. They have owned it from the start and it was registered in NI in 7/20. The V5 shows that date, and the name and address of the company in NI. I assumed this would be pretty straightforward, I buy it and pay VRT on it.

    Then the other day, the company called me and assumed I would want to be paying for it excluding any VAT since I would be exporting it out of NI. Then it occurred to me, since they bought it new and they are a company then they would never have paid VAT for it, which makes it VAT qualifying I think. So what does this mean for a pre-brexit import?


    Should I pay the VAT up there, and then pay the VRT down here?

    OR

    If I dont pay the VAT up there, am I obliged to pay VRT AND VAT down here?

    OR

    |Is this some kind of unicorn whereby I dont have to pay VAT up there and not be liable for paying it down here either (only VRT)?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 gracepeters


    As a first timer, where is the best place to import a car? Toyota Estima from? Who can put me through i have no idea which website to buy from? How do i process it? Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭User1998


    First post on Importing from Japan thread will answer your question



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 gracepeters


    Thanks mate.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭billgibney


    It seems to be a bit of a minefield!

    I'm looking to import a 2022 captur from the north.

    I know it was bought new up north and never had left there so it shouldn't be liable for VAT however..

    It says the registration place is Worcester!

    One or two cars whose registration I've entered say N/A so I assume they were first registered there as it's a separate database.

    Any ideas?



  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭billgibney


    Just got this from revenue

    The rules are chaining again end of April.

    Basically any car bought up north will NOT be liable for VAT once it was used for " a reasonable amount of time up there"

    I think I'll wait for a few weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭User1998


    I queried this through ROS and they gave me a very wishy washy answer on what is considered ‘a reasonable amount of time’. Its very much a case by case basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,352 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    lol, a reasonable time is about as precise as the length of a piece of string.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,240 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    That website reported my car first being registered in Reading or somewhere despite it being a NI car and being successfully VRT without VAT.

    The last logbook being issued 3 months ago is a bit of a red flag is it not?



  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭billgibney


    Not necessarily, if it was traded on on the anniversary of its original sale then they might wait to MOT it till it's sold.

    Also place of first registration could be the dealer they bought it new from.

    It might have been a lot cheaper to buy there than in the north.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭billgibney


    I'm looking for a 2 or 3 year old car so I'd imagine that's a reasonable length of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,240 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    I'm not talking about the MOT or tax.

    Unless I'm misunderstanding the info, this car changed owner in December 23, 3 months ago, and is now being sold again. It's a pretty short time to own a car.

    I bought my car from a dealer in NI and they said they sold the car when it was new, the car only had one owner according to the v5c (logbook) and if was a NI address, I'm not sure what that registration location that website shows is, but it doesn't seem to be accurate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    new rules seem more clear

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,240 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    When I bought my car a few weeks ago I transferred over my existing insurance to the car, which was a NI reg at the time. I got an updated disc in the post after a few days.

    I did the vrt about a week after I got the car.

    My insurance expires at the end of the month and I ended up moving to a new company. It was only after I got my disc from them that I realised my current disc still has the NI reg

    Didn't even think about it when I got the vrt

    Is this a problem? I'll ring to get it sorted tomorrow if I should.

    Not able to do it online for some reason. At this stage it seems like a pain to have to ring them for 12 days, but don't want to not have valid insurance either!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Luna84


    I'm in two worlds, one minute I'm buying an expensive car then an expensive electric but now I'm thinking of getting a cheaper NI car. It's a petrol.(just pointing that out incase it is cheaper to import an electric or hybrid)

    What do I pay just VRT? or others payments like VAT. The car is a 2022 Northern Irish car with low mileage. What do I need off the seller V5 I think it's called, anything else I need?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭billgibney


    I just rang customs about the new rules and what is a reasonable amount of time and the said it varies.

    I gave an example of a 18mt old car with full service history up north and they said that wouldn't be a problem.

    It's only to stop "sliding" cars into the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,581 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Excellent but itnwould appear you are still at the mercy of whoever you meet at the vrt centre as to what they look for.

    I'd imagine any genuine case should be fine at the end of the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭damemcd


    Im sure our friends up on the Greenhills Road will still do their very best to muddy the waters and make things difficult.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Celtaidd


    Hi All,

    I am looking to purchase a car in NI and import into ROI. But want clarity on what is needed to get an exemption from paying VAT.

    The wording on the NCT website is "If the vehicle was registered in Northern Ireland or acquired in Northern Ireland on or before 31 December 2020 the vehicle may be brought into the State and registered without Customs formalities"

    The address on the V5 logbook is still England, however I have service records dating from 2020 that shows the car was in use and being serviced in Belfast. Is that sufficient?

    The dealer in NI is saying he's done this multiple times without issues and this is sufficient evidence, but I'm not sure, since I spoke to a rep in NCT and they said it had to be registered in NI prior to 31 December 2020. It's 6,000 I'm not willing to risk!

    Has anyone got experience of this situation?

    Many thanks in advance!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭spuddy


    Service records are far less reliable evidence than the V5 itself, which you have to hand over when registering the car here. How would you explain the English address on it? Put yourself in the shoes of the person who's job it is to determine if VAT/Customs are due, does it look credible?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭User1998


    Can the NI dealer VRT the car on your behalf if they are so confident that it will be sufficient? I’m sure theres VRT centres close to the border. You could offer to pay a little extra for the time/convenience factor.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 material


    Your query is similar to mine (post #4705 above) and I presented the car at VRT inspector with no issues. My car had NI reg. number with GB registered address from 2021. I'm not sure if yours has NI Reg.

    Only questions asked were, did car have spare wheel (No, it had spray can) and where was VIN. Showed them the stamped one in drivers foot-well.

    A few points to remember.

    From my research, NI reg. cars don't need an MOT until year 4 (GB is 3 years), so the chances of having an MOT history is difficult to show with NI reg. cars under 4 years old.

    Bring a copy of your online VRT calculation 2 page print out. The calculation they initially present me with was around 20% more that my online version. (Still a good bit less than the +VAT and duty, circa.+9k risk in my situation). After giving them my print out they checked it out and re-ran the calculation and came up with a figure which was 10% less than my print out. They asked was I happy with that new figure and I had 30 days to pay. Paid it immediately!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Celtaidd


    Thank you - appreciate the advice!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 pjtuts


    Hi all,

    I was skimming through the thread but considering its 158 pages I didn't read all of it. Anyway, from what I am aware, if a car has NI registration plates, not mainland UK, it is exempt from VAT and Customs Duty when being imported to Ireland. What would happen if a mainland UK reg car was transferred to NI reg and then imported? I was reading about it online on various forums, and apparently if you send DVLA the logbook with a request to change the car to NI reg, they issue you a new logbook with new NI reg. I couldn't find anything about importing the car after doing this. Anyone have any thoughts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,352 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Switching the registration from mainland UK to NI will not avoid VAT or customs duty. The car needs to be either registered in NI since birth or have been registered in NI before Brexit to avoid VAT and customs duty.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Have you not heard of the changes happening at end of month?

    Someone wrote recently:

    "Just got this from revenue

    The rules are chaining again end of April.

    Basically any car bought up north will NOT be liable for VAT once it was used for " a reasonable amount of time up there"

    But still doesn't mean you can just change the reg and avoid all the taxes and customs. But not as stringent as now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Unfortunately it's not as easy as that. The whole system was made to avoid people doing that, and trying to avoid paying vat and custom charges by importing a car from a non EU country to the EU.

    Only Ireland (if I am right) has this "Northern Ireland option" other countries it's a direct import from a non EU country. So UK is same as importing from China or USA.

    But it was recently announced that at the end of the month the rules are changing.

    "Just got this from revenue

    The rules are chaining again end of April.

    Basically any car bought up north will NOT be liable for VAT once it was used for " a reasonable amount of time up there"

    So someone could buy a car from mainland UK and register in the north and hold for a reasonable amount of time.

    (This is an example) To not pay VRT when moving residence to Ireland you have to have the car at least 6 month and prove with insurance and receipts and so on.

    So I would think a car registered in the North for 6 months would be sufficient as Revenue have not given an amount of time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    Hi all, I am thinking of going to the UK to buy a one year old car. I am familiar with all the rules, VAT, Customs etc. I need to buy the car VAT free in the UK, and even though this is my entitlement under UK vat rules, I am finding it difficult to get the Uk main dealers to engage with me. They are very dismissive of the idea, clearly they don’t understand their own legal rules. Apologies if covered already, has anybody got any advice? As I understand it, the car wouldn’t need to be Vat qualifying in order to buy the car in the UK vat free, but yet this is first thing dealers raise in their defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭User1998


    I think there are companies that will buy the car on your behalf and refund you the VAT when you’ve proven its been exported



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    Yeah I am aware of some of these companies, but they have pretty high fees from what I can see! I’ll speak to one of them. Just wondering did anyone have any success buying a car vat free directly from a UK dealer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    You are right in saying that they are expensive. I contacted two of them. One said the HMRC rules where that they had to organise the freight to Ireland i.e. instead of say, me collecting the car. This added another £1,200 to their fee.

    I know if you were buying a brand new car then it could be easier to get it with no UK vat added. The other option is the vat qualifying car which you mentioned already, this is another one the dealers in the UK would be aware of. But I wouldn't be surprised they look for a vat number from you.

    Now just to make you aware both of the companies I talked with that buy it and then sell it to me for a fee. They both were under the assumption that the car I was going to buy was a vat qualifying car.

    Does it state anywhere that an individual (not a business) can buy a secondhand car (1 year old) vat free as you want.

    There is a scheme were a dealership in the Republic can buy a secondhand car and get something like 1/5 of the price of the car back . But I am not sure an individual like yourself can use this scheme.

    That's all I could find information on when I did research, all UK sourced information. No information this side of the water as usual.

    Would be great if someone on here had knowledge in the exact procedure and if it's actually even possible.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    There are two vat codes in the UK, 703 and 707. Both give impression that you can buy a new or used car in uk Vat free. I reached out to HMRC to ask the question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭fm


    I bought a vat qualifying car from a UK dealer last year and they returned the 20% vat to me once I proved I exported it,there was no extra fee for this.I drove the car back myself,also didn't have to pay the 10% customs as it was less than 3 years old done with the help of a customs agent here.I bought the car as an individual not a business even though I have a vat number which was not used.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    thanks, was there much hassle on the customs and proving to customs that car was originally a EU vehicle? The guidance document says you can use the VIN number as basis for showing where car was originally manufacturer. I know it needs to be less than three years since it came into the UK.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Thanks for the information, so definitely a vat qualifying vehicle can have the vat returned upon export. And this has been discussed on the forum.

    I had questioned the guy that I got a quote from and he was adamant that HMRC require the seller to export the vehicle. But then Beck Evans which is the other company I got a quote from never said that and was happy if I just show them that I registered it here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭fm


    According to customs agent vin won't do ,it needs to be built less than 3 years ago I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭fm


    Beck Evans are who I used and returned vat once I sent them a copy of the Irish vlc.There was no fee from beck Evans.It took about 4 weeks to get the vat returned because of getting a vrt appointment which took 2 weeks and then waiting for the VLC from Shannon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Can you let me know what the HMRC come back with.

    Unfortunately like you said the dealerships don't seem to want to know or don't want the hassle. I had discussions with HMRC before and they said what the certain rules were but the dealership wouldn't follow it and HMRC couldn't enforce it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    The 17 digit VIN should indicate the year of manufacture. It also indicates factory of manufacturer, so you should have year of production and location of production in EU. This is case for Volvo anyway.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭fm


    Yes but agent said revenue won't accept it as proof only a letter from manufacturer now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    Thanks. Ignoring their own guidance on revenue website!! Is it hard to get said letters?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭fm


    I don't know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Helpneeded86


    I have a deposit paid on a car and now the dealer is sort of panicking. It is a large dealership in the North so I was comfortable that they had done this before and were on top of it. I am also rushing the purchase as need the car quickly. I generally do a lot of research but I failed a little on this.

    The car is 182 and originally UK. The dealer said it was perfect for VRT and suitable for the south. He called me today a little less confident. The car was serviced in the North in 2020 which makes me comfortable that this is fine. The problem is I need to be 100% sure that I get what I need to get.

    It seems as simple as check the V5 document? Is it possible the dealer does not have this?



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