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General Irish politics discussion thread

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    #3512
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121879440#Comment_121879440

    He's put out a somewhat odd tweet though about the "woke gallery" and "NGOs".....trying to court the far right vote or something? Slightly peculiar language for a former cabinet minister.



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    #3513
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,901 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121879597#Comment_121879597

    The conservative rural nationalist vote is up for grabs, Willie knows this. Fianna Fail lost this vote to Sinn Fein and the rural independents, he wants it back.



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    #3514
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121879673#Comment_121879673

    The funny thing is he and Mattie McGrath don't believe in any of this stuff themselves - it does seem a bit opportunistic to say the least.



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    #3515
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121879597#Comment_121879597

    O'Dea and Chambers are engaging in old fashioned bog standard undermining of the leader. Don't think for a second it is about the referendum issues, far right or near left stuff, it isn't.

    It's internal FF jockeying and stalking horses coming under starters orders.



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    #3516
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121879597#Comment_121879597


    Sounds like Mattie McGrath territory



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    #3517
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121879826#Comment_121879826


    Seems strange for Chambers. Wasn't she a darling of MM. He sorted her out for a Seanad seat and all.


    I wonder does this have anything to do with it:


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    #3518
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,435 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Matt Carthy is saying SF won't rerun these Referendums if in Govn't. MLMCD said the opposite last week. They're all running for cover IWT. Just admit most of the political parties got this very wrong. Even though I voted Yes/Yes, others in my family voted Yes No, One has to have good reason and a clear path, when asking the Irish people to change the Constitution.



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    #3519
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121881107#Comment_121881107


    To be fair to the opposition parties they were given no input into the wording, the choice of date or any of the other mistakes that were made in relation to these referenda. The government rushed the bill through and didn't accept any changes. The opposition parties (with the exception of Aontu) gave it a lukewarm backing. I didn't see a single poster by any of them nor do I recall any media appearances by them backing it.

    It certainly means that they can't put the boot in as much as they could have done had they called for a No vote but it doesn't mean that they cannot be critical of how the government botched these (and I say that as someone who voted Yes-Yes myself).



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    #3520
    Rjd2
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121881107#Comment_121881107

    Matt has looked at the polling and it seems like 80% of SF voters who showed up were against both proposals and he knows chatter about going again is political suicide in a probable election year.

    FF had a similar number of their voters who rejected it and Martin wasn't naive enough to chatter about going again.

    Its very naive of Mary Lou to chatter about going again when its clear her supporters voted no-no.



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    #3521
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121885452#Comment_121885452


    She isn't talking about going again. She was asked when she arrived at the count centre on Saturday would Sinn Fein run these referendums again if Sinn Fein are in power and she said "No".

    After a resounding defeat like that no political parties are going to touch either of these clauses in the constitution, with a barge pole, for a generation.



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    #3522
    Good loser
    Registered Users Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭Good loser


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878549#Comment_121878549

    ANY wording for ANY referendums dealing with those two articles would have been defeated imo. And by roughly the same margins imo.Too many complications available to No sayers.



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    #3523
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I remember a few months back doing an analysis of all of the FG TDs who have announced they are retiring at the next election. Everyone under 65 was someone who had lost a ministerial job when FG went from the 2016 minority government to the 2020 coalition. Looking at the other TDs who that happened to, who were under 65 - there was only one left. That was Ciaran Cannon.

    Well lo and behold:


    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0319/1438665-ciaran-cannon-fine-gael/




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    #3524
    L1011
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    And yet the very elderly Durkan has explicitly said he is running in Kildare North. Hasn't had a Ministry since the 90s either.



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    #3525
    blackwhite
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    In a statement, he said that there was a "coarseness, a toxicity in politics now that was barely palpable 20 years ago."

    He added: "None of us asks to be put on a pedestal, or to be treated any differently. We just ask to be treated with the same civility and respect as anyone else doing their job.

    "Yes, politicians are subject to public scrutiny, and rightly so, but what we are experiencing right now goes far beyond that and can be deeply damaging to our wellbeing. At times it feels like it's open season on you and your family.

    "That's not acceptable, nor indeed sustainable, if we want to have good people choosing politics as a career," he said.


    I imagine statements like this will become all too common over the next few years. The last 10 years have seen a very nasty personalised streak brought into political discourse in this country.

    Hard to see why anyone would turn away from a decent career to expose themselves to the abuse that politicians now are subjected to.



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    #3526
    Bobson Dugnutt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    It’s not even a particularly well paid career these days considering the hours, workload, and abuse you get online. It’s a problem.



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    #3527
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121912308#Comment_121912308


    Yes and whatever abuse the male politicians receive you can multiply by a factor for the female politicians.

    Not only does social media allow people to target elected representatives with anonymous abuse instantly, easily and free of charge but it also creates a feeding frenzy among people, allowing them to feel like what they are doing is both popular and correct.



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    #3528
    gym_imposter
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121912035#Comment_121912035

    No great loss to Galway East, not quite as useless as Ann Rabbitte but a mediocrity



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    #3529
    Archduke Franz Ferdinand
    Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    So, Nina Carberry running on the FG ticket in the next European elections. A cynical move by both FG and by her l would suggest a bit naive What interest has she previously expressed on political issues? Outside of her undoubted ability as a jockey what does she know about being a politician?Nothing against her, she seems like a perfectly nice person but hopefully people will see through this and any other similar stunts pulled by the other political parties as b lm sure there will be more “celebrity candidates “

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    #3530
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,435 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Is she being prepped for a Dail seat?



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    #3531
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121914115#Comment_121914115

    Mairead McGuinness was such a candidate who has been very successful in Europe. Why would one need anything to be a politician but the votes of the electorate. I am sure most successful candidates do a good job.

    [I can think of two Irish MEPs, in particular, who are the exception to this.]



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    #3532
    L1011
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121914115#Comment_121914115

    FG are the biggest party for 'celeb candidates' by far

    Mairead McGuinness, Maria Walsh, Brody Sweeney (O'Briens/Camile), Lord Henry Mountcharles, George Lee, Kenny Egan, Peter Fitzpatrick all come to mind without having to search.



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    #3533
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Yeah they wouldn't keep doing it if it didn't keep working for them in the past. Maria Walsh is a particularly egregious example in the very same constituency in the previous election. She had zero political experience at any level and still managed to get elected purely based on name recognition and the FG brand backing her.



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    #3534
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Something afoot?

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1770402677517590728




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    #3535
    Summer2020
    Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    So what’s this political earthquake that’s expected at midday?


    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/political-earthquake-major-announcement-expected-from-government-at-noon/a2011295372.html



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    #3536
    antimatterx
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Either Leo stepping away know, or some of the FG leadership not running during the next election.



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    #3537
    Summer2020
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    My money would be on Leo stepping away, rats off a sinking ship



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    #3538
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users Posts: 13,419 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121916255#Comment_121916255

    I don't see the latter as being a 'political earthquake', so I'd guess it must be Leo.

    He had talked (way before he became leader) about not seeing his political career as a long-term/life-time thing and eventually going back to medicine.



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    #3539
    Hodors Appletart
    Registered Users Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    If it was Varadkar, Coveney or Donohoe, or two of that three, not running in the GE it might be considered an earthquake?


    Although, if it's Leo going, maybe the Taoiseach position rotates back to FF for the remainder of the term.



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    #3540
    blackwhite
    Registered Users Posts: 8,803 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Numerous political correspondents saying it's not an election, and hard to see the point of a ministerial reshuffle within 12 months of an election.

    Suspect Leo stepping down as FG leader is most likely - but who knows?



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    #3541
    downtheroad
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121916363#Comment_121916363

    Who takes over? Donohoe best of the bunch. Harris? Coveney or McEntee. Slim pickings.



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