Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

We could spend a lot of money on controls like that at our airports. Bear in mind Australia has a pre-clearance system to greatly minimize the likelihood of anyone flying in and seeking asylum, or not having the correct documentation.

Seems a bit silly though when people can just fly into Belfast and get a bus across the border. Do you think they wouldn't do that?

Wouldn't we be better off spending that money on housing and healthcare?

Pretty much the same number of irish citizens return to ireland as leave each year. Circa 30k pa.

So although plenty of young folks are leaving, there are plenty returning also.

Australia also has a housing crisis and the cities now are very expensive to rent/live.

You keep talking about building a wall but genuine question, have any Irish politicians said anything about building a wall?

As for a solution to the crisis, people on this thread talk about international obligations, I've no idea why government ministers can't just contact their counterparts in other countries with international obligations and say that we currently have thousands of men camping in the middle of the city centre leading to unsafe and unsanitary conditions and could they possibly take these people as until we have a handle on the crisis we are not in a position to take them here? Surely governments of different countries can work together? I don't buy that it's impossible to fix. If the appetite was there solutions could be found

Can anyone advise on what is the process to know why a post was removed?

I posted a few minutes ago and it's disappeared with no explanation and I have no idea based on the post why it would be deleted.

I don't think I deleted it myself.

Message one of the mods who have been active on this thread and ask them, they will tell you.

I'm going to have to call you out again for deliberately misrepresenting my argument.

If you reply to what I actually said I'll respond.

Speaking of misrepresenting, who are the politicians that are talking about building a wall? You've mentioned building a wall in several posts

My apologies, I didn't think anyone actually thinks these anti-immigration candidates are calling to 'build that wall' (yet). I'm only using it to highlight how daft and pointless their actual promises are.

There is no magic bullet on immigration. Not only that but in our situation there is nothing that will significantly impact numbers arriving without getting to extreme measures that will likely make things worse overall.

I have no idea what you're talking about with 'visitor visas are not an issue'

If you share the post with me I'll have a look but I'm not sure you're not, well, misrepresenting.

No. This is total speculation on your part. You cannot possibly know that "the same number of breaches will occur" via Belfast if we tighten our borders in the Republic. This is a typical fallacy argument of yours. It's wild speculation because most of the people claiming asylum via our airports would simply NOT BE GRANTED LEAVE TO LAND in the UK. In other words, they would not get into the UK or Schengen zone via airports.

You're assuming without any grounds whatsoever, that ALL of these chancers would, without access to Dublin airport, succeed in entering the UK and then travelling via Belfast to Ireland. This is bullshit because many of these chancers would not be given leave to land in the UK at all. They are not all arriving by boats in the UK.

At the moment, a significant proportion of our asylum chancers arrive via our Irish airports, Dublin airport in particular. About one third of overall chancers at least. If we tighten our borders, we can eliminate this. This would be enormous progress.

Your point is completely defeatist and it is utterly depressing. I suspect it is a thin veil for some Marxist ideas you have. The fact is that we need to tighten our borders at ALL POINTS OF ENTRY.

You also implied that implementation of tighter rules would come at the expense of housing - outrageous mental gymnastics. You should admit this is rubbish if you are in any way genuine.

You asked me to dig out the nonsense you were spouting before about visitor visas not being important, so that you can "have a look at it".Well, I don't need to dig this out because you stated in a recent post that there's no point in us trying to implement pre-authorisation systems because people might try to circumvent this by abusing the Common Travel Area anyway.

The Schengen area is planning massive changes to pre-authorisation requirements, meanwhile you are suggesting that Ireland shouldn't bother following suit. God knows the consequences if we lag behind too far.

You have also admitted in a recent post that you were exaggerating when you were stating that others on the thread were saying "build the wall". So you have admitted to misrepresenting arguments, yet you accuse others of the same even when quoiting you directly. You should be ashamed of the **** you're spouting on this thread.

I may not be the only one - but for the life of me I can’t fathom why grown Nigerian would be seeking protection in little old Ireland.

Girls yeah, given Boko Harum’s predilection for kidnap, but so many big lads who are quiet capable of looking after themselves not so much.

In addition to my previous post, and in response to this post in particular, I'll say the following:

You're stating there is no point in having pre-clearance requirements because asylum chancers will come anyway via Belfast.

Do you know that we already have pre-clearance requirements for many nationals? This is what a visitor visa is. We have visitor visa requirements for MANY nationalities.

So if your logic were correct, we can remove all of these visitor visa requirements and it will have no impact on arrivals.

The thought that you believe this is frightening. I mean, even the lunatic McEntee has recently increased pre-clearance requirments for some nationalities including Vanuatu Dominica Bolivia and others (not enough but some progress at least).

I cannot even begin to express how much shite you are spouting on this thread. It's outrageous.

It might be useful here to take a look at how the Common Travel Area (CTA) works, since there are a few posters here using it as a reason to open all ports of entry to Ireland.

The CTA applies to Irish and British citizens only.

It is an offence and grounds for deportation to enter one CTA country with the intention of illegally entering a second CTA country.

For example, it would be illegal for a South African tourist to arrive in Ireland (where they do NOT need a visitor visa) and then head up to Belfast without a UK visitor visa (they DO need a visitor visa to enter the UK).

We could refuse a South African national entry to Ireland at Dublin airport, if indeed we suspected that their intention was to travel illegally to the UK.

This is encapsulated in Section 4.3. of the Immigration Act 2004, which states that a non-national can be refused entry to the State if:

(h)the non-national intends to travel (whether immediately or not) to Great Britain or Northern Ireland, and would not qualify for admission to Great Britain or Northern Ireland...

The reverse also applies.

At our Irish ports of entry, we already do monitor UK travel and deport some people for this reason. The reverse also applies from the UK.

However, we do need to enhance our efforts in this regard on both sides of the Irish sea. We need to work more closely with UK border control and have officials monitoring all ferry crossings for abuse of the CTA. We need major changes to ferry boarding policies and immigration control at ferry departure points. This is not difficult to implement.

I bet not one of those people would claim they left Ireland "because of immigration" (and indeed it would be the height of hypocrisy for anyone to complain about the phenomenon and then become an immigrant in another country).