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  • Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    The thinktank, the Institute for the Study of War, released its latest assessment overnight saying that "several Russian financial, economic, and military indicators suggest that Russia is preparing for a large-scale conventional conflict with NATO, not imminently but likely on a shorter timeline than what some Western analysts have initially posited".




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,076 ✭✭✭threeball


    They should have depleted them in Ukraine when they had the chance and they still have that chance if they ramp up now but we humans have a habit of sleepwalking into large catastrophes that we get ample forewarning off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,232 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    The poles will wipe them out easily on their own,, paper doesn't refuse ink , there's no way Putin is considering that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Many analysts saying that russia has wasted its recent offensive gains by moving forces away from the four main thrust points and spread themselves along the front thinly again.

    Could be they see the ammo arriving to Ukraine soon will pound any mass concentrations of forces to smitereens.

    Also in some spots they have reached the limit of what the terrain can give them and are restricted by rivers, valleys and dense forests.

    Saw a video on Reddit this morning of the new airburst drone killing two russians. It's basically a flying claymore mine and kills instantly, no writhing around just stone dead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Wonder what they will be tasked with? Probably border patrols near Belarus. Still, it will free up Ukranian soldiers and any French casualties will cause an uproar.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It's quite simple. By fighting a war in a third party country where neither is trying to invade or conquer the other.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Sending troops to Ukraine is never going to happen. The west won't even back Ukraine to the degree needed in terms of financial aid or weaponry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 891 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    last night shoigu announced the creation of 2 new ground armies, with 16 new brigades & 14 new divisions. for context that's larger than the combined armies of britain, france, germany, poland, spain, netherlands and sweden. mass mobilisation is on the way.

    the question though is how will they equip them. in terms of bmp's they will run out in the next 12 to 24 months if the current rate of attrition keeps up. they simply cannot produce anywhere near enough numbers to replace and their ex-soviet supplies are dwindling by the day. as things stand offensive operations in the summer will be a real struggle for the russians.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭Roald Dahl


    I also don't see what they have left to attack with, but that's not to say that the Lord of the Vatniks will not at least try to inflict very heavy damage out of sheer spite, especially if he feels that it's a Berlin in April 1945 scenario.



  • Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    I'm surprised the inner elite circle of Putin and the military heads would allow that to happen. Russia cannot win either a conventional war against NATO, never mind a nuclear one.

    It makes no sense to allow Putin to embark on a senseless, unwinnable war for the Russians.

    I think mass mobilisation may be the final red line for the Russian public, too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 891 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    i'm equally skeptical.

    ironically a lot of that institutional knowledge is now residing in kyiv.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭victor8600



    If NATO/EU supports Ukraine, in Ukraine itself, only to provide Ukrainian security (air, sea and land) and to push Russians out to the internationally recognised borders, there is no need, nor a viable pretext for any nuclear escalation. Remember that Putin threatened with a nuclear response if anyone helps Ukraine in any way back in 2022, and his threats proved hollow. Which is somewhat logical, Russia itself is not threatened even by Western tanks in Ukraine since nobody expects those to be used in a successful drive on Moscow.

    Putin is only likely to use nuclear weapons if he is personally threatened, and even if and when Ukraine, with or without NATO's help, reestablishes its borders, it does not directly threaten Putin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭zv2


    And who will run Russia while their brigades are getting slaughtered in Ukraine? They are already short of people to run the country.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭rogber


    Interesting article from generally reliable source on where things are right now




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭victor8600


    I would agree with this. Yes, Putin cannot win the war against NATO. But what Putin can do is to attack some NATO country, fail to achieve any victory, and dig in in the captured territory, creating a new front, just like in Donbass/Lugansk in 2014. For example, what if Russia captures a third of Estonia. Will NATO tries to negotiate, or will it send its own soldiers to clear Russians from the trenches?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,840 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Victor, Russia couldn't capture one third of a kilometer inside Estonia or any NATO country. Any sign of a build up on NATO's borders will be detected. NATO will have total air superiority.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,273 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    NATO will have total air superiority

    That's an interesting and valid point worth reinforcing: perhaps we've collectively become so used to this war being prosecuted by the Ukrainians without an ounce of air support, we forget it's still an integral part of warfare. Indeed perhaps even Russia would make that mistake too 'cos indeed, NATO's air power would prove a massive problem to Russia's ability to push forward - and the larger ring of air defences making it doubly hard to strike deep in NATO territory either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,891 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed, that's the situation now.

    However, in the hypothetical future, with e.g. Trump in the White House, Europe potentially more fractured, "tired" of the endless Ukraine war, problems with NATO - anything could happen. Putin would be the first to exploit any opportunities.

    NATO is great on paper, but in practice Europe, as we can see, is very soft and unprepared, and thats directly after an invasion of Europe by Putin, imagine in a few years time how apathetic we could potentially be. As much as I detest Trump, maybe he's the shock/jolt Europe needs to wake up and smell the coffee, that we need to be on a war footing, because that's Putin's approach to us, he's not just at war with Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    This is pure insanity. Putin isn't going to attack any NATO country and "dig in". Any Russian troops crossing any NATO border would be killed within hours. There is zero evidence that the Russian army has the equipment or capability to even reach Kiev for goodness sake.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    It's a bit unrealistic to think that Russia, which couldn't take Kyiv, is going to capture some of the territory of a NATO member.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    There is a ferverent ideological commitment to minimal self defense capabilities for most of Europe, things like self interest and belief in any long term security are frowned upon.


    Trump can and has jolted Europeans before in to increasing defense capabilities against Russia but it was fought all the way by them.


    The message that European States should pay their own way, not America is a popular message not just among Maga voters but Democrats as well.


    They'll be a good game talked by most of Europe but it is only going to be the Eastern Europeans who remember the brutal reality of Soviet Socialism that are preparing for a fight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭victor8600



    Of course, it is disturbing to think that Russia, with its disregard for human life and with its extensive experience in the modern conflict tactics, may jam GPS and most radio comms, and attempt to send waves of storm troopers across Estonian border.

    couldn't take Kyiv

    I would put the capabilities of the Ukrainian army in 2022 way, way above of the undoubtedly brave, yet tiny, Estonian army. And there is no magic teleport capability that could transfer a sizable army and enough equipment into Estonia within weeks. Unless the overwhelming air power can be brought upon the invaders, larger numbers will eventually win.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Field east


    It’s incredible that the high level of superiority the UKr has of its airspace and over the Black Sea -and for a country which has no Mara time fleet and the Russians have shot down all of its planes!!!!! I’m sure that NATOhas taken note of that ????????



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Field east


    And are you assuming that there will not be a coup or populist reaction/uprising , etc, etc, etc in Russia during all of this projected turmoil in Europe?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,840 ✭✭✭✭josip


    But the same holds for Russia. They were building up for over a year on Ukraine's border.

    Also, what do you have in mind by 'sizeable' ? The NRF can deploy 6,000 troops and supporting equipment, APCs within a month.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭victor8600


    True, Russian build up will be noticeable. Even more than that, Russia needs to mobilize a significant number of personnel, and that requires time.

    Putin has just "won" the election and now he can start to mobilize cheap non-contract soldiers. The possible invasion of Baltic states won't happen today, or tomorrow. The good time for that is shortly after the Trump's inauguration as a president. Russia has already started creating the organisational structures for the war in the West:

    The NRF can deploy 6,000 troops and supporting equipment, APCs within a month.

    Is that a joke? The current size of the Ukrainian army (just the military staff) is 900,000. Russian active military personnel is 1,320,000.

    Just to clear any misunderstanding. I am not saying that NATO/EU is weak and we just have to give up and give Putin whatever he wants. Just the opposite -- we must give Ukraine whatever it needs and more, and do it as soon as possible. Because if Ukraine is in a stalemate or losing, then Putin will escalate somewhere else. The funny thing about the escalation is that Putin does not need to win. He may just attack Estonia, his forces would be beaten back to the border, and then what happens? NATO stops at the border, right? And then Putin says -- I am open for negotiations on the Ukrainian question, or do you want me to attack Latvia next?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    So much for the 'sun is too high in the sky' claims on here that this was old footage from the start of the war. Terrible shame, but at least one managed to take off and avoid the artillery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    If russia attacks a nato country every power station, refinery and communication installation would be obliterated in days. Their cities would be in the dark and cold and chaos would ensue.

    Their pathetic excuse for an invasion force would resemble the Iraqis in desert storm all over again. A big mop up job.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    They could try to gain territory on a non NATO member..as a test and to show strength at home?



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