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Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,636 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I went into the Merlin website after reading that earlier. I could see two EVs on it. Hardly “full of used EV bargains”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,114 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Merlin copying Ashford Motors and using the journos for a bit of publicity to sell their cars perhaps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    The infrastructure is still absolute crap throughout most of the Island, we still take the Outlander at times especially going South West, West or North west, it's just too much hassle and the waiting on 50 Kw chargers in these locations and mostly single chargers and if one is dead you're fecked or if there's a queue.

    I had thought in 2015 when I got the Leaf that things would have been much better by now.

    There are many people with no home charging.

    I still believe a Rex system should be offered now by the majority of auto makers, with the reintroduction of bio fuels and rumours of Efuel ( which deserves it's own thread ) Rex type systems should be reintroduced, in my opinion of course. Hydrogen can be burned directly in ICEs, I know there are still issues with storage for hydrogen but Efuels have no such issues and are a direct replacement for petrol and diesel.

    I was thinking that the 2030 ban on ICEs can't happen because in reality BEVs are a long way off being a direct replacement for ICEs. What will happen is that people will keep their ICE for many years longer and that might not be a bad thing.

    The cost of new cars in general is a deterrent but never before have so many new cars being purchased on PCP plans which I find a bit disturbing, yes, I'm on my 3rd PCP and knew exactly what I was getting into each time, knew I had no intentions of keeping a low range Leaf or i3 so it suited me, my budget included the balloon at the end but I fear that many people are buying cars on PCP without being fully aware of the implications.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭boetstark




  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭Tippman24


    I read somewhere that the CDU in Germany are supposed to be saying on their European Election Manifesto that the supposed manufacturing ban on ICE cars from 2030 should be abandoned. Might be a Golf Mk 9 in the offing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,909 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    There are many ev owners with no home charger?

    Doesn't sound right to me. I would have thought vast majority would have one. Doesn't make sense not to.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    There isn't an EU ban on manufacturing on ICE cars starting from 2030 so that should be easy for them to deliver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,267 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    With the grant it's only like 400 quid too ya?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,909 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I didn't use the grant and its cost me less than that to buy one and have it installed.

    Just doesn't make sense to me to have an ev with no home charger. But each to their own I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭boetstark


    Bloody hell. That's cheap.

    I would have thought cables fuse board plus actual charger would have cost well in excess of 400 euro



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,909 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Well the last charger was a replacement one, so all the cabling was already in place, just a change out.

    But even before that, my 1st charger I bought 2nd hand, and a local spark fitted it for me. Still was very reasonable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    In the past you could buy your own charger from eBay etc. and have your local RECI fit it, then claim the grant.

    So it would be free in some cases. The grant was 600 at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,909 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I never claimed the grant, I always thought you'd have to jump through hoops etc to claim it. No doubt use a spark who was on some list and who'd charge you an arm and a leg for the install as they knew you were getting grant money, when an equally qualified local spark would do it at a fraction of the cost.

    Might have been worthwhile if you were getting one of those all singing, all dancing charge points that tie into grid, so solar charging etc. Mine was bog standard so o was installing as cheaply as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭micks_address


    yeah i picked up an eo mini for about 250 on adverts last year and had it installed at my parents house for another 200 by an electrician. grants inevitably mean invoices and higher prices.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    No it was very easy at the time, 2022.

    Got the pre approved grant letter, purchased a unit on eBay and had the RECI that originally done the house install it. He wasn't on any SEAI list for this.

    They paid out the grant without question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I'd say there is a danger of dealers selling PCP contracts to people who otherwise couldn't afford to buy a new EV or any new car, I don't think it should be pushed as heavily as it is because people are buying much more expensive cars than they would have on HP and that balloon payment is a deterrent to buy the car outright so most people will buy another new car and another until the realisation comes home that that balloon payment is going nowhere but I don't think dealers are explaining how it works properly or care as long as they sign on the dotted line they get their money.

    I'm on my 3rd and last PCP and not because it's bad but because I'm done buying new cars, they are a waste of money and depreciate heavily. The cost of them has gone up a lot and the Government are making a lot of money on each new car sale.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    No list.

    I bought my ABL charger on Facebook for €200. Paid sparks mate €100 to connect to fuse board and give cert. paid about €69 for RCBO and wiring (2017).

    Then got €600 back on grant. Profit of over €200 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,856 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I never bothered read it all, stressed when fuelling with petrol.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,613 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I think the anti EV articles will die down over time . But It certainly looks like car ownership in general in the future is going to be more expensive than the past - a new “family saloon” type EV is way more than the equivalent say Ford Focus ICE would have been in 2019.

    I think that’s what’s really driving this anti-ev agenda - as we see more accessible prices and of course range increases, this will become a thing of the past- but it’s not really the range, it’s the prices.

    Im still at two minds whether to buy one- not because I’ve concerns about EVs- it’s just that I have an old car, but also we have another perfectly good ICE car - annual milage is a lot less than 4 years ago - I wish I didn’t have to buy right now - I need a second car but I don’t want to spend too much - pity my older car wasn’t so old 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Local ford dealer is advertising focus starting at €32,541 brand new. Also happens to be local MG dealer, the similar sized MG4 is €25,995 on the same website.

    Used 2019 focus - 22k while 2021 MG ZS (bigger car, MG4 not yet available second hand) - €21850

    Admittedly they are all family hatchbacks, not familysaloons but I'm not sure where this part of your comment is coming from

    a new “family saloon” type EV is way more than the equivalent say Ford Focus ICE would have been in 2019.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,613 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Think I had 26k on my head for around 2019 for a new Focus - so that would still be nearly 25% more expensive today - EVs new are obviously more expensive still so main point really was upfront costs for EVs for the type of car you’re used to buying are in general a lot more money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I think you've misread my post so I'll make it more clear for you

    • Brand new ford focus - from €32,541
    • Brand new (similarly sized) MG4 Electric - from €25,995
    • Second hand 2019 Ford Focus - €22,000
    • Second hand 2021 MG ZS Electric (bigger car, newer car) - €21,850

    In both of these examples the electric car is cheaper than the ford focus. Same dealer in all examples

    Your example of 26k for a new Ford Focus back in 2019 is ~ the same price as what an MG4 currently goes for

    If you wanted to buy an electric car it would currently be cheaper than a petrol focus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    Where did she say she was exaggerating? Listen, in the last week there has been a push back from plenty of Journos like Rory Reid with real world facts. At least the balance has been restored again. I'm having a great conversation with a guy on YouTube at the moment who says his ICE can do 5 times the mileage of a Tesla. Most of his answers include five or six laughing emojis to really get his point across that I'm a clown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,114 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    I think the MG brand would be considered a cheap Chinese car brand by your average Joe Soap and not really comparable to the Ford. Your comparison would also indicate that MG residuals could be shaky. A more comparable EV in terms of a mainstream brand to a Ford Focus would be a VW ID.3 or e-Golf. I’m sure there is nothing wrong with an MG but a lot of current Ford Focus owners won’t even have heard of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,009 ✭✭✭Shoog


    I really don't think Fords and VWs are a fair comparison. VWs have always been significantly more expensive than any Ford.

    Find a better comparison or your point is invalid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Really.., What would you suggest as a direct competitor for a Ford Focus ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    You'd compare with the the brands that sold around the same volumes as Ford. That would be Skoda, Kia and Nissan.

    For model comparison it would be Nissan Qashqai, Skoda Octavia and Toyota Corolla.

    But since these are all ICE vehicles, you should probably look at the best selling electric cars, Best sellers were in descending order: VW ID4, Tesla MY, Skoda Enyaq, Hyundai Ioniq 5 and MG4.

    So you could compare the 5th best selling ICE with the 5th best selling BEV. That would be the Ford Focus and the MG4.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,207 ✭✭✭MarkN


    A Golf 😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Ford were always considered the budget American brand though, so comparing a budget American brand to a budget Chinese brand is probably a fair comparison

    Especially considering it's the same dealership involved



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