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Badly need a new Political Party

  • 22-03-2024 12:18pm
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    Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ok so hear me out


    Imagine a party with the exact policies of Sinn Fein but without the baggage of Sinn Fein!!


    Sinn Fein I do really think they are trying to get as far from the IRA rubbish as they can. But they will always be held back by it. Look at their candidates. At the top they are quiet strong

    Mary Lou, Louise, Eoin, Pearse - just for example. They are all decent candidates who are good talkers. Good at articulating an argument.


    But when you start going down the pecking order you end up with people like Maurice Quinlivan and David Cullinane. Its like they are trying to get as many people in as possible and then end up with old mentality people who love the "up the Ra" songs. I feel like this will continue to hold them back. They need to start having some sort of behavior contracts or something to ensure everyone gets in line. I know that obviously opposition will always make reference to the security council, but I think this is an exaggeration tbf. Every party has their own party assembly who makes decisions on the party. But because of SF's past, it will always be held against them.


    But if you look at things they say, its all pretty good. Their ideas have substance. Opposition will claim they are lying but at the end of the day, the opposition have lied to us. SF havent had a chance to yet. Will Sinn Fein screw us over? Maybe. But they havent had the chance yet. Fine Gael, Fianna Fail, Greens, Labour have all screwed us over on a number of occasions.


    If Sinn Fein where called ANYTHING ELSE and didnt have a historic connection to the IRA, they would easily be the most popular party (I know that currently SF are the most pop).


    What do ye think?

    Does Sinn Feins legacy actually hold them back?

    DO they need to be more choosy with their selections?

    Would another a duplicate party without their baggage be more popular or is their baggage something that attracts people?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,013 ✭✭✭Allinall


    I don't want a party who I think will screw us over given the chance to do just that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭Stewball


    A party with a bit of common sense is what we need.

    Is that too much to ask for?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But hasnt FFG done that over and over? I dont think I need to list things Fine Gael, Greens, Labour and Fianna Fail have done over the last 40 years. I mean at least the PD's are gone.


    Thats what I mean about a new party who are not SF though. Would you vote for them if they weren't SF?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Sinn Féin policy is principally about their raison d'etre - a United Ireland and a border poll etc etc

    So they'll adopt pretty much any policy that gives them more votes that will facilitate above.

    Other considerations like our own welfare, housing, taxation, health etc etc come below that.

    It's a fair & reasonable strategy on their part but it should be seen for what it is.

    As to their leaders, murky area to dredge in - if you haven't read it already I'd recommend Shane Ross's book on Mary Lou McD. You might assume he'd be hostile but he's actually quite sympathetic in some ways but baffled too by the opaqueness of the party and her life.

    As to a new party - yes possibly but you'll always the others stealing their clothes. There's not much between all the ones that might actually aspire to power.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    To be honest Shane Ross's book is tripe mate. He just took a swipe as a parting gift to FG. Just look at Michael Lowry for example. You could write 10 books about his exploits but Shane took aim for a reason. Im not defending Mary Lou in any way but I am just saying that it was very transparent.


    I would 100% agree on SF almost cherry picking policies. But as I mentioned, they havent screwed us over (yet) as they havent been in charge. What we do know is, everything FG and FF have been in charge, they have screwed us over.


    Personally I vote independent but I always look at what party the person came from. I would love to vote for SF but I cant. I def cant vote for FFG the greens and Labour. They have been dishonest so much that this country is like a beaten wife. Just constantly saying "but theyll change".

    Thats why I think a new party free from the rubbish could work. When news broke that Peadar Tóibín was starting a new party, part of me was hoping his crazy ideas stemmed form SF. But then it turned out he was even worse.


    There is a huge disillusionment in Irish politics



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,381 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Does the new Farmers Alliance Party appeal to you op? Founded in 2023

    Heh - FAP 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Well I enjoyed Ross's book, whilst never really liking the chap. But he is a good journalist and had as good an inside track as anyone to peer into MaryLou's past and how SF operate. It may be a bit of a swipe but that's as much since he's swinging of necessity in the dark a bit. Little co-operation etc

    As to other matters, yes Independents seem to be best choice for many of us as things stand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    So is this a thread about needing a new party or just a SF promotional thread trying to convince idiots that SF has moved away from everything it previously stood for?

    It’s ironic that the opening post is just all about promoting SF when you’re asking for a new party😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 775 ✭✭✭creeper1


    So much hope clicking on this thread.

    "A new political party" sounds exciting!

    The OP then proceeds to eulogize SF!

    And what are you talking about SF is the most popular party.

    You haven't been keeping up!

    Support for them has dropped like a stone recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,582 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    What policies do you think they have that are costed or practical to implement?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,449 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Ok so hear me out

    Imagine a party with the exact policies of Sinn Fein but without the baggage of Sinn Fein!!


    Peaked too soon OP, peaked too soon…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Right wing financially and left wing socially. We need such a party as none exist in ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,808 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Sinn Fein biggest issue is their policies.

    Also they seem to be incompetent from top to bottom. Trying to say people are moving away from them because of their baggage is wrong.

    It's the latest in a long line of posts which don't want to discuss the issues with Sinn Fein policies but talk about fear etc as if that is the issues Sinn Fein have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,401 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    We do need new parties. Parties that have no baggage with civil war politics or the Troubles. Honest men and women.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,548 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Who the fcuk is going to buy a book about Michael Lowry ffs?

    As opposed to one about a probable near-future Taoiseach, from a party with more than a whiff of cordite off it still.

    Like 'em or loath 'em we know how FF, FG, Labour, SD etc are run. How candidates get selected, how leaders are chosen. SF is like the Soviet Politburo only more secretive and opaque. That should be a concern for every voter given how likely they are to be in government within 5-10 years, if not the next time.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Def peaked way too soon 😂

    I am in no way trying to promote SF. If I was I would be trying to push positives, not call out the "up the ra" rubbish.


    Im not going to debate their popularity because some will say they are, others will say they arent. Im basing what I am saying on even recent polls showing them on top.


    Let me be clear. I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR THEM. I vote Independent and have done in for the last 20 years. Previous to that I used to canvas for Labour but jumped that ship as soon as I thought they stopped caring about their electorate.


    But please for the love of all that is good, do not take this thread a push for SF!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,548 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,808 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    They got the bump from a revolt vote and decided that people voted based on their policies. Now people are looking into their policies they suddenly have issues.

    In terms of the "Up da Ra" well they get associated with that because they keep going around shouting it like one of the man TD's did post the last election.

    That's before we go into all the links with organised crime.

    The thread is clearly a push for SF. You posted a title about a new party and then the entire first post is about how great SF are and the only reason they are losing voters is because of their history.

    Also post last election, during covid they had no problem rocking up North to a funeral which wasn't a funeral but a PIRA rally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,808 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    By the way this is the list of parties in Ireland

    Now sure why we need another one?




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    SF if they change their stance on unlimited immigration and actually listen to their constituents will walk the next election. It's like an open goal for them and they've decided to be Diana Ross.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I am not pretending to have analyzed their costings. As I said, I am not voting for SF, nor am I advising anyone to do so. I said that what they are saying sounds all rosy and if a new party (without the SF crap) said such things, I think they would easily get elected.


    We have a tendency in this country to take a "the devil you know" attitude. But look at Leo for example. He said when he was health minister "less trollies lead to more efficient hospitals". Yet we re-elected him. What happened? Hospitals got even worse. We dont learn from mistakes and we keep re-electing people who screw us over. Again I am not saying vote for SF. Please dont!! But I am saying it is ridiculous that someone hasnt taken advantage of the clear need for a party to fill the void left by Labour. A party who are "Sinn Fein" but Not Sinn Fein.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,582 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Even not costed, what policies do they have though?

    What do you think they are proposing to do differently than the current govt?

    You say they have this rosy vision, but what is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭LastFridayNight


    Invest in Generative AI. Won't be long till it's at least as effective as current politicians. It can analyse data, propose policies. And all impartial- the programming model designed to get the best outcomes for Irish society.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In no way trying to promote them. I can see why some would see it that way. But I mentioned them because of their unique standing. A party who have a certain popularity but will probably not get elected due to historic baggage. As for the up the Ra stuff there was more than Cullinane. They have LOADS of Ra heads which is a point I made in the OP. They have a few good politicians tbf but when you get past the first 5 or 6 names, they quality starts to disappear FAST.


    This is not about SF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,075 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I agree with some aspects of what you say SF are trying to become what Labour once were and should have been, but SF are hamstrung ideologically and not just from the IRA standpoint. The amount of times they have voted against housing developments in DCC is just getting silly at this stage.

    I disagree with you that those who you mention are good at articulating agreements. Mary Lou is no Gerry Adams, when speaking in English she resorts to cliches and is just not a very good orator. At least Adams could hold an argument think on his feet and had a presence.

    Mary Lou's level of Irish is even worse than Gerry Adams was. She resorts to English phrases, and simple repetitive Irish ones, or reading off a page.

    Pearse Doherty looked like he had something about him when he first appeared on the scene. But seems to be a one trick pony. His style of debate is going red in the face while waving pieces of paper in an agitated manner.

    Eoin O'Brion seems OK in patches but he does not seem to have any bite about him, and is hamstrung by Republican ideology not using the name "Republic of Ireland" in his housing book for example.

    "The left" in Ireland seems all over the place. You have SF tied to their Republican anchor, Labour fractured with the Soc Dems forming (some good young TD's there), meanwhile you have Ivana Bacik an academic coming out with wishy washy statements designed just to sound good.

    The PBP are the other extreme. Plenty of passion, radical ideas but not really anything people can get behind. It is what SF used to be plenty of shouting and any protest they would turn up. Basically student union type politics.

    To really have a new party on the left it would have to have a charismatic leader, and the ideology would have to be left of centre to attract voters. Would "The left" get behind a Holly Cairns for example? She would be a good left of centre middle of the road figure head. With the right amount of passion and drive, along with sensible policies

    I mean years ago you had passionate characters on the left who could conduct a debate. Like the current President Michael D. Higgins or Dick Spring etc. Even Proinsias De Rossa with his speech impediment was a better orator and politician than many on the left now have.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,808 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The reason Sinn Fein will not get elected is because of their policies. The reason they have dipped in the polls is because of their policies. The election hasn't happened yet so who knows, maybe they will

    The entire party went up the North to a PIRA rally during covid.

    You made the entire thread about Sinn Fein.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I want to be careful here because I am not trying to promote them and by highlighting some of the things I like would be promoting them. I am happy to talk about this away form here but really dont feel comfortable canvasing for them.


    But the below is what I would want in an ideal candidate or Party. This is a list of things that I believe in. So when I vote for independents I look and see if any of their policies line up with any of what I have here. It will never match 100%. Probably never even 20%. But thats party politics. Its about getting what you can done bit by bit to achieve the end goal.


    • Create a public funded construction company. Encourage young people and unemployed to take up roles in the company in an Apprenticeship capacity (but with fairer than currently wages). Rent to buy these houses out to people at cost (including cost of wages for workers on the site). Ban private companies form buying these properties and give preference to first time buyers.
    • Invest in local hospitals. Each town should have a GP center. Where all the GP's can work without having to pay rental fees etc. So basically free for them to work there. These GP centers in ever town can have nurses etc also there. This could act as a place to help minor injuries and illnesses.
    • Major hospitals in each county could then take major incidents. Not just move national hospitals to Dublin and hope for the best.
    • Care facilities and care roles need to be better provided. More access to allow patients to free up hospital beds by giving them more home care. These carers need to see this as a viable career and should be "nurse quality". Palliative care comes under this and needs heavy investment. People should not have to wait for so long just to get 2 hours per week.
    • Free education for all. I would also bring childcare under the remit of the Irish Education board. In creches and montessori's they already teach our kids and should be paid properly for doing so. They all go to college for these jobs. Getting a little over minimum wage is ridiculous.
    • Rich tax. I am paid a decent wage. Not amazing but decent. I work in Data Science. I pay the higher rate of tax and rightfully so. But there are people making 200k a year and are paid the same tax band as someone on 45k a year. Thats insane. There should be 3 tax bands. What they should be set at is up for debate but having two is insane!!
    • Property tax should be excluded on primary dwellings. Any second third homes etc fair enough. But primary homes should be exempt.
    • Water tax yes should be implemented. But only AFTER as certain amount is used. For example a 3 bed house should have a bigger allowance than a 1 bed flat. A 10 bed house should have an even bigger allowance etc.
    • Business rates need to be looked at. It should be cheaper to have a business in City and Town centers than in retail parks. BUT there should be guidelines and rules set in the contracts/permits. Businesses should have certain minimum hours. I was in Limerick last week in Arthurs Quay. 12 non on a Saturday and there was a holiday shop (I know, they still exist apparently) and it was closed. A big unit closed at peak shopping time. That shouldnt be acceptable. If you want a shop in the city center you need to ensure it is open at peak times.
    • Vacant properties should be CPO'd after 18 months. There are already laws around this but not enforced enough.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I cant disagree with any of what you said. Holly Cairns is a great shout. My only worry for her is that I dont know how serious the SD's are about getting into power. I think they like being in Opposition. But I really like Holly.


    The lefts biggest problem is that they are all so "opinionated" that they find it hard to find common ground. Instead of agreeing on one topic at a time they all pull in different directions. I do think the idea floated before about a Labour Soc Dem party would have gotten a lot of backing. But again they are just too stubborn.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,186 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Your medical policies there go against all safe medical standards - a hospital per county would leave each hospital with exceptionally limited specialist resources and make them hideously unsafe. No party with any sense would ever propose that.

    SF or a clone SF without the history would not agree with you on water charges and possibly not on property tax (Gerry has a second home, etc)

    Forcing retailers to operate specific hours would cause more to close, that is an exceptionally badly thought out idea. Town centre rates being lower is a policy of some parties already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    [QUOTE]Imagine a party with the exact policies of Sinn Fein[/QUOTE]

    Would that be last weeks policies, this weeks, or next weeks?

    Populists don't really have policies. Other than a UI in the case of SF, and even that's not at the forefront of what you hear from them on either side of the border.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    AI will never be good enough to analyse data. It doesnt have the human function. AI is only as good as the data you give it. But it will always show prejudice because data is never "raw". For example if we tried to give an AI all the data we would try to make it not racist, not sexist, not biggoted. But that would prejudice the data. Fact is that women have better attention spans than men. Men are stronger than women. On average of course. So using AI would either make everything sexist or we would try to ignore that staff and end up with the wrong outcomes. Therefore Generative AI will never work without human oversight.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As I said. I am not pro SF.

    My medical policies would of course work. You dont think cardiac units in regions are useful? Its insane to put the national maternity hospital in Dublin and expect that the whole country goes there. The Childrens hospital could have funded 5 childrens hospitals around the country.

    These are my views and how I determine if a candidate matches some or any of them.

    The only politics advice I would give to anyone is to do similar. Write out your own views and what you would like to see. Thats how everyone should pick who they vote for



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,808 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Removal of property tax is a huge tax break for the rich and will end up killing the majority of county council in Ireland who are already cash strapped. Which in turn means everyone will not get the services they need.

    "Rich tax" 😂

    Someone on 200k a year is paying close to 100k a year tax. How much more tax do you want them to pay?

    As pointed out above a hospital in each county would be impossible and the short resources available already would be spread so think we would end up with more issues than less. Life expectancy in Ireland is increasing, with that one change it would go the opposite direction.

    A public funded construction company has been discussed in massive detail alreayd n thread, the opinion of the majoirty is that it would slow down construction and would also increase the price as the government would have to outbid private companies for the limited people we have in the industry, plus giving them government contracts with government pensions etc would increase house prices now.

    Majority of these policies are nonsense and would send Ireland back 30 years

    They boil down to what I see a lot, can everyone else not pay more tax and I can pay less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,075 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    In general there is very few politicians with a spark/exuberance about them AND can be taken seriously. Basically the arse falling out of labour has created this vacuum that SF partly filled, with the rest made up of PBP and independents.

    I think the left in Ireland are a bit directionless, they don't want to be too centrist because they would be seen as similar to "the establishment" in other words FF/FG one or both of whom always form a government. Joan Burton was painted as 'the establishment' after the water charges protests etc. But if they go too left they would be viewed as too lefty too radical, and not dependable.

    If you look at Ivan Bacik she sums up the problem, a well meaning lady. But she does not come across as "a woman of the people". Most of the things she speaks about are vague "touchy feely" subjects, in the hope of soft votes. No real policies where you can say, yes that is what makes Labour different from the rest.

    These days any one with youthful exuberance with left leanings is more likely to go for a career in I.T. than a career in Dail Eireann. It could be 25 years before there is a solid centre-left party in Ireland to challenge the status quo.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,186 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Are you an emergency medicine consultant, or just declaring that you know better than them?

    There are three maternity hospitals in Dublin alone, and will continue to be; alongside plenty of others - the NMH is just a name.

    Five smaller childrens hospitals spread around the place would mean children with need of multi-speciality care would die.


    You are going to vote for a delusional populist if you think these are sensible policies. SF do a good like in delusional populism as it is...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,290 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Should we decide national hospital policies based on your gut instinct, or based on the careful analysis of what actually works here and elsewhere?

    The most basic flaw in your proposals is that the medics in your local hospitals won't get enough cases to allow them to specialise. They will be generalists, like your GP, and will not have the skills and experience to deal with challenging cases.

    Seriously, would you do a little bit of research on your policies before you convince yourself of your rightness.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    100% my gut instinct of course


    Wow people get personal in here 😂 My views are purely my views. Zero righteousness.

    Also people are way too focused on my mention of SF in the OP. Which usually means they like to vote for FG.


    What about what we are doing here is working in healthcare? Careful analyses has decided that we build the most expensive hospital on the planet in Dublin without a suitable helipad.


    We could have built the NCH in Portlaois for example which would have been cheaper land wise and more accessible to everyone. The 5 hospitals for the same cost remark was showing how expensive this has been. A point you have not been able to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,186 ✭✭✭✭L1011



    You are the one who said you wanted a party that was SF without the baggage, so of course that's the core focus. SF are a populist party with weak, unimplementable policies and who don't even do the same things they say they'll do down here when actually in Government across the border - so presumably that's what you want.

    Its hard to see past the direct intent of "5 hospitals" when the person posting it had just proposed opening tens of full service hospitals based on gut instinct but entirely against any sensible medical policies.

    The NCH is going to have a helipad. It wouldn't handle the Coastguard S92s; but they're being replaced by June 2025 anyway - and can't land on any elevated helipads.

    It can handle the actual Air Ambulance helicopters; and the new Coastguard AW189s are more capable of small landing zones like elevated helipads.

    Also, the NCH needs to be beside a full service adult hospital for access to skilled specialists. Portlaoise hasn't got one of those.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,290 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    This is very basic stuff. The key requirement for the NCH was colocation with an advanced adult hospital, so that expert consultants are available on site as required. It's not about the M50 or the M7 or the car park. It's about the best clinical outcomes. The decision on locating the hospital was made by the Dolphin group of expert medics, construction professionals, and health service leads, many of them international experts. Do you know something about siting of a hospital that they missed?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,808 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    You made the thread about Sinn Fein, telling everyone how great they are and masking excuses the only reason people are not voting for them is because of their history. Complaining now is a bit late

    Why would we build the NCH in Portlaoise? maybe you can explain that decision because "cheap land" is not really a good reason to build a hospital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭almostover


    If the PDs came back I'd vote for them in an instant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭spuddy


    The issue isn't with the political parties, it's with the planning. We can't expect politicians to think anything other than short term, because that's the election cycle. The problems the country faces are long term. We need to start directing our attention towards the civil service, the people who actually run the country, the people who are supposed to plan for the long term. The party I want to see in power is the one which stops pretending it's running the country, and starts holding those who are actually in charge to account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,189 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    The last thing this country needs is another socially left leaning party.

    It is that type of crapology that gave us two wasteful unneeded referendums.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,548 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Its insane to put the national maternity hospital in Dublin and expect that the whole country goes there.

    Did I really read that?!?

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭scheister


    This is something I have been thinking for a while.

    Renua and Soc Dem were the two newest parties from a mainstream view. Renua have gone so far right at this stage they will likely fall off the edge. Soc Dem went left which is always a crowded place in Ireland and hard to show how you are different.

    I think for any new party to last they need to be a fiscally responsible progressive centre party. By centre i am looking at a group that may go left today and right tomorrow depending on the issue and not a party that will sit on the fence for fear of offending anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Aren't SF mainly of the "Cuba has the best health system in the world" types? I wouldn't let them near a box of plasters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,808 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    To give a view of SF health plans.

    First off they have said they will hire loads of new consultants, when asked how they would get these consultants they had no idea. Plus when it was pointed out the new "tax the rich" policy SF have would mean even a starting out consultant would be hit meaning they would even have less take home pay than now they had no answer to that

    So seemingly SF will hire more consultants than ever and pay them less than before. When questioned in more detail Cullihane ran for the hills as he had no answers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




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