Deposit return scheme (recycling)

I used it for the first time yesterday. The machine states that the can just be in perfect condition yet I heard my can getting crushed to smithereens 1 second after it took my can... What the ****?

I'm hardly going back into Frank & Honest with a voucher for 15c.

They have to be in sufficiently good condition to read the barcode - which can be pretty badly battered. They say perfect to stop people arguing that the crushed disc of aluminium they found on the road is a can they should get the deposit back on.

They are then crushed/shredded for storage space reasons

Just use the voucher next time you shop if you don't want to get cash back there and then.

I know. It's laughable isn't it?

used an RVM today and had no issues with the machine itself, did have an issue with staff being nosey making comments and first asking do i not have any shopping, and then after responding to that following up with asking me why am i not buying any shopping with it. No queue behind me or anything, i guess they just wanted more money for the shop or something.

The responses i gave were pretty comedic and trolly in nature, not sure if they'd be allowed to be posted here on the boards so i'm not risking saying it and will let the readers imagination run wild and speculate on it however they see fit.

i will say this though, with all the practice i'm getting using the machines and faults im discovering on certain kinds of machines, re-turn should be paying me.

True! well other people's deposits are paying me, with the bulk of them coming from 1 person lol.

What i'm doing to their figure is fattening them up XD i'm spending so much time returning bottles and cans that i'm almost starting to believe that the machines are more human than the people who made the scheme lol.

Posted a good while back how my waste company has raised prices. Looking online for a new contract per se, mine is not quite up yet. Some posters were saying you cannot link the increase in rates to the new ReTurn system which skims all the aluminium from recycle bins. It was further suggested one needs to ask the waste company if that is the case. So phone in hand, rang the company. Directed to various different people as no one seemed to know what to say or who to put me on to. Eventually got to a "sales executive". Asked point blank,are the rate increases at least partially attributable to the fact they will be collecting less aluminium from householders. He demurred and deflected with rising costs and inflation. So, I said give me a straight answer or I will not renew my contract. Straight up now, are the price increases primarily due to this new ReTurn system, bit of silence then " I would not argue with that".

Said thanks, I will renew for six months and review the situation.

I am more than happy to clarify, 80% is my estimate, as I said upfront. To my knowledge, there is no public source for the number of items on which deposits are charged ( I read that re-turn may report collection rate %s after 31 March).

I linked in my post yesterday an earlier post where I checked out Dunnes Stores to see how many items deposits were being charged.  I checked 174 items across multiple categories and brands, and 78% had deposit. This was 2 weeks ago, if I check again today [which I might do later] I am certain it will be more than 80%. Producers / Wholesalers / Importers / Cash and Carry outlets are already legally prohibited from selling anything that is not logoed / barcoded for the scheme.

Nobody else on here has provided any data at all in relation to this number - certainly nothing close to my analysis - I would welcome any such source of data and am more than happy to be corrected with credible info. Nobody else on here has challenged my numbers at all - @Red Silurian you are the only one.

You are entitled to the guess you posted earlier today @Red Silurian (and the 5% estimate you posted on 8 March), but I am afraid there is absolutely no way the number of items sold per day is still around 0.5m-1.0m (10-20% of items sold).

It's an interesting story but not the conclusive proof we need that DRS is part of the reason bin charges are going up.

Consumers are entitled to know exactly how much of the bin charge increases are due to DRS.

It is laughable that anyone thinks the 15c deposit is some kind of "licence to litter".

They are just doing wrong and they know it.

Not arguing with you at all, fair play for having a go.

Like you I think we deserve to know the truth in the interests of transparency.

If the companies are increasing charges they should be able to publish the reasons.

It's incorrect to say all aluminium has been skimmed from recycling bins, only aluminium drinks containers have been taken out of the mix

Inflation wouldn't be caused by the scheme. Somebody working for a bin company probably defaults to thinking the scheme is a bad idea. Your experience is more proof of why bin collection services in this country need to be re-nationalised.

I was in a Number21 off licence last weekend and didn't see any of all the crafty stuff having a deposit applied or re-turn logo. The macro stuff from diageo etc was all in-scope

Likewise I appreciate that you are entitled to your opinion and I accept that there is nothing officially said at this point about the figures discussed

If the items are in scope; which they can be without the logo, you should have been charged 1.20 (and got it back when returned). If you get 1.20 back on this, oh well; if you don't get anything back and can be bothered chasing the shop for it, you are entirely in the right to do so.

There are plenty of shops that aren't doing their part of this properly at all.

No, the CSR would not have access to that level of data and information needed to decipher what the reasons for the change were, so they were giving their own personal opinion which is worth about as much as yours or mine.

They don't need the logo.

Check the barcode here.

Does the re-turn.ie map show any distinction between manual return only locations and locations with RVMs?