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BOI in app notification ,I need newer than Android 10

  • 19-03-2024 6:53pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭dohouch


    So just got this notification.

    Heh BOI, my phone is running Android 14

    Maybe you should update something your side?

    🧐IMHO, God wants us all to ENJOY many,many ice-creams , 🍦🍦🍦🍦🍦🍦🍦🍦🍦🍦🍦🍦



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    Yes I got the same, running Android 14 as well. I assume they are just making it a push all notification, easier for them and I suppose covers themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭carveone


    I would think that it would normal to inform people more than 11 days in advance that you'd be unsupporting Android 10. I've worked in IT for decades and I've never ever seen this kind of disdain for customers.

    Hey BOI, how about using this email thing to write an explanation instead of freaking everyone out that their app is going to drop dead in a week? Can you imagine what their support lines look like right now? Must be panic stations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,524 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    What's being omitted in the posts above is that BoI are sending a notification to all Android users who have their mobile app installed which suggests that the app will no longer work from March 31st because your device is not running Android 11 or higher. You get the same message, regardless of which version of Android is installed on your device.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,654 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    I deleted the app and reinstalled it. Does it mean I'll need a new phone too? App is working fine now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭carveone



    Well I suppose if it works now is no guarantee that it will work later. You can check your Android version in Settings/About Phone.

    Mine is Huawei P30 Lite so that doesn't help me - it's "EMUI 12". Which is likely Android 10. Which may mean it's not going to work for me. Bother. I should probably root it and update it eventually (assuming that's even possible), solely from a security point of view, but I ain't doing it in 11 days for BOI to work. It's a 2.5 year old phone ffs.

    One option is to use an Android tablet or iPad. Or to get a PSK device from BOI and use it on a laptop. The problem with that route is that BOI rigged the app so that if your first added security device is the phone, then you can't add a PSK afterwards. You have to do the PSK before ever installing the app. Which means if you order a PSK, the app is disabled straight away while you wait 10 days for your PSK. Which is convenient.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,524 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    If you're having an issue with the BoI app, the first thing you should do is to clear the cache. That will fix most problems.

    Press and hold your finger or thumb on the app icon, tap the circled lower case 'i' in the upper right corner of the popup menu. That takes you to the 'App info' screen. Scroll down to and tap 'Storage' and then tap the 'Clear Cache' option in the bottom right corner of the screeen. That works most of the time and saves you the setup you have to go through if you uninstall/reinstall.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Is the PSK device that daft tiny numberpad thing they sent my 85 year old arthritic mother? Takes God knows how many entries of codes and long series of numbers to get anywhere. I would really love to meet what 20 something thought that would be a great idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭carveone


    That's the one. I didn't find it too bad but then I'm an engineer so I'm not a good example. I suppose they could have made it bigger. I don't know what the alternatives are myself - what other banks do.

    I ordered one anyway using the website and I got a text 30 mins later saying nope, you'll have to call us. I see they're efficient at saying no.

    My company has a small BOI branch inside it (it's a big company); they said they'd had a bunch of people asking already and it was only 1pm. In a tech company. That bodes well for their customer service lines.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16 PuterMan


    So I am going to have to spend about €450 to replace 2 perfectly good phones just because BOI decides to upgrade their software? Perhaps BOI should pay me to get the new phones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    I wouldn't bet on being able to use a bank app with an 'alternative' android ROM for your phone.

    I'm with a different bank but had an older phone I loaded LineageOS onto to keep getting android updates.

    It worked great for a year or two with app, OS and security updates until one bank app update decided using LineageOS implied the phone was rooted and the bank app refused to run under LineageOS.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,501 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    I checked my phone and found out its Android 10 so i might be screwed now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭amandstu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭minibear


    My Huawei is running 8.2 and it says it is up to date. The phone runs fine and I've no intention of changing it. But am I now expected to change it just because of the BOI app? I frequently need to verify online payments using the app. Can you verify if you use the BOI website?

    I agree with an above post regarding how they must view their customers, giving less than a fortnight notice. But it doesn't surprise me either.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Well do you expect BOI to not bother improving security etc for everyone just because a small number of customers are not up to date? And how much would other customers be will to pay so that this could be done. Running multiple versions of back ends and front ends would dramatically up. the cost of services no custom wants to pay for in the first place...





  • No, but as most posters stated, a heads up months in advance would be better customer service...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    Its not that small a number of people, one friend has a two year old phone that out of date, it is a Chinese brand phone. Another friend showed me his phone yesterday, it is an older phone that works perfectly. Not everyone can afford to upgrade their phones every two years. I advised them both to look into switching banks instead of phones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,616 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭jj880


    For my phone (android 13) its:

    Settings => About Phone => Android Version



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭carveone


    That's a point actually. My brother rooted his phone with Lineage but he says BOI is working ok. At the moment. I looked at various tutorials to root a P30 and install TWRP and I lost the will to live 🙂

    I have the ability to log in on my PC right now and I spend 8 hours a day in front of the thing anyway. If that could continue, that would do for the moment but without the app to confirm the log in, I'd have to get a PSK. Which is just so annoying. It's all just fine until you need to pay for something with a CC and then you're stuffed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,524 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    On a Samsung it's: Settings/About Phone/Software Information



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Yes ,I got it.(it is 9)Can I still check my account on the website?

    Not sure what I use the app for since they stopped the mobile top up facility.

    I wonder what would be the cheapest phone you could get to satisfy the new Android version requirement.

    I think I saw one for 180 at the vodafone shop...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭jj880


    Live a little and try for this. https://n.vodafone.ie/shop/phones/xiaomi/redmi-note-12-pro-5g.html?gallery=payg&productClass=SmartPhone&fg=true

    You can get an eir sim for 10 euro and pretend you are "switching" to vodafone to get it for 200. Then put your own SIM into it. Xiaomi phones are all unlocked these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭amandstu




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    The problem with all this stuff is that you have three elements that don't mix:

    • Clients that don't want to pay for the service
    • Management that don't want to invest in a loss maker
    • And IT who believe that contrary to their experience they can do everything in a short time

    Many many moons ago when I was a kid we used to go into the shop and as what we could by for an old penny... at that is what happens today - management picks a figure they are will to invest and asks what they can get for that and IT over promises and fails to deliver. And of course the failure is only recognised towards the end and so testing get the chop and the clients are left to do the testing, with no budget available to do the fixes.

    There is no doubt in my mind that with less capable technology back in the 90s we delivered a better service. But I have no idea who we get back there...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭markest


    I have a Moto G phone that works fine. 3 years old but in Android 10. So may have to change once BOI app stops working.

    Also have a new Lenovo tablet with Android 13 but am unable to download BOI app from Google Play store, states it is not compatible.

    How clever is that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Juran


    I have Samsung S8+, spent €1,000 on it in 2018. Android version 9.

    Working perfect, very happy with it, good battery. But as said above, my BOI app wont work come 1st April. And i use it weekly for bank transfers as i have my own business.

    I'm so tempted to move all my accounts to AIB to make a point.

    Contacted vodafone today to upgrade to a similar phone S24+, out of stock in all local stores, will take weeks to get them, if they can get any.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    I wouldn't think it's wise to be using such on out of date operating system for banking. There likely hasn't been a security update in at least 6 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,707 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    *****...im andoid 9....

    Have samsung s8 and happy with it...

    Do i have to buy a new phone now?!!!

    Post edited by Jim2007 on

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭amandstu




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭jj880


    Good Amazon offer on Xiaomi X5:

    6gb/128gb £151

    8gb/256gb £168



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭carveone


    Given that Virgin just emailed me and said they're putting prices up, I've figured I can drop Virgin (now 70 quid/month just for BB? Yeah right), buy a new phone and whatever add ons for 5G, using my phone as a hotspot (it's just me) and still be a good bit better off.

    Now... about that Xiaomi Redmi Note 12... 😋



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Does it have to be a 5g phone?

    I have an old 4g Galaxy J3 and a nearby mast in line of site with very few "sharers".

    We pay 40eu a month here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,501 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    Just seen this elsewhere if your phone wont update.

    Hi there, thanks for getting in touch. If your device is running on one of these older operating systems, and you do not update the device by 31 March, the existing version of the BoI app that you use today will not be supported should you have an issue. If you are unable to update your device we can order you a PSK. A Physical Security Key (PSK), a device unique to you which generates a code to enter into 365 online when prompted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭jj880


    If you like a nice camera get the redmi. If you dont care about camera so much get a poco.

    Great phones. We all have redmis and pocos in our house. Hard to beat them for value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,501 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    Just rang my local branch and ordered a psk device and will have it within 1 week



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  • Registered Users Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Juran


    Thanks for the tip.

    Does it need to be a local branch, or can I order it from Banking 365 call centre ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭carveone


    For my purposes I get reasonable bandwidth on 4G (until the school next door lets out and then it goes to hell as every kid checks their Tiktok or what have you). I suppose 5G would be faster assuming your mast supports it. If you're happy with 4G then a 5G phone might not be worth it for you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Juran


    So I rang BOI 365 about a PSK device. Spoke to a nice helpful lady in the security division.

    She told me:

    My BOI app will continue to work.after 31 March, even though my phone is Android 9.

    I will be able to access my accounts & transfer money, pall bills as normal via my phone and laptop.

    My phone will continue to be my security device to log onto my laptop.

    If I book a flight, hire a car, or purchase online, and the sellers requires security swipe via my phone, I will still be able to do this.

    My phone as Android 9 will NOT recieve BOI software updates after 31 March.

    If I remove the app from my phone, I will NOT be able to install it again on my Adroid 9.

    If I order a psk, the device will be my security verification. Not my phone anymore. That is, instead of swiping the phone, i will have to enter the code the psk gives me.

    If I order a psk device say today, they deactivate my phone as being the primary security as of today. Then when the psk arrives 5-7 working days, I will use it instead of phone swipe. This means from the day you order it, until it arrives, you cant access your online banking as your phone swipw doesnt work.


    For now, i will wait and see how my Android 9 works in the first week of April. If i have issues, i will order a psk, and accept that I have no access to my online banking for 7 working days.

    Am I confident I will be able to access my accounts & perform.phone swipe for purchases come the 1st April ? I'm not fully confident. But at least knowing I can order a psk device, takes the pressure off having to change phones right now.

    I just wish BOI would put all the information and risks on their website, and direct customers to this information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,501 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    Call centre might do it as they will ask security questions as normal so have your details to hand.

    When they order you the device they remove your phone off the plan so phone cannot do things like before just to warn you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Thanks for relaying that.

    Actually ,I had also worked out that the main issue might be that we will not be able to reinstall the app whenever we need to when April comes (thanks Paul Simon ;-)

    As someone noted above ,security of our bank accounts and devices that access them should be our first priority.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,707 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,616 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Thought about ordering a PSK, but then thinking I could probably do with a backup phone as if anything happened my current one (running Android 10) I'd have no access to banking and some work systems. So ordered a relatively cheap Galaxy A15 which will be supported up to Android version 18 with future upgrades.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,524 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    If the PSK becomes your security device, how you do authorise online purchases using your BoI credit card - does your phone continue to fulfull that function or do you get a code on the browser window to enter into the PSK device?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    I was DMing them on twitter the other day and it took 4 replies before they said the above! I've been meaning to upgrade anyway so its time to take my sons old phone which is still 3 years newer than mine 😅



  • Registered Users Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Juran


    I plan to upgrade in the coming months or by end of the year. But just glad not to be under pressure to do it within a week. Vodafone already told me they are out of stock on the S24+ which is what woukd replace what I have now.


    RE psk device, I presume vendor site will prompt for you to enter the psk code, instead of the swipe. A you tube tutorial wouod be handy right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,501 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    Your phone is out of that equation as when ordering your new device will take over to receive the code.

    I believe that code is then entered into your account portal to finalize the transaction your on to approve payment.

    They tell you once your phone is removed they can proceed to order your new device 5 working days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,501 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    NOTE TO ALL WHO ORDER THE NEW DEVICE WILL ALSO BE LOCKED OUT OF ACCOUNT UNTIL DEVICE IS SETUP.

    I found that after on my desktop when i went to log in they asked had i received my PSK and had to say no.



  • Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭Rock Paper Scissors


    You can absolutely use banking apps on an alternative ROM

    Im using a Xiaomi Mi 8 thats 6 years old running Lineage OS 21 (Android 14) that runs Revolut, N26, Google Wallet etc.

    There are a few steps to take to achieve this, which can all be found over at the XDA forum.

    You just need to unlock your bootloader, flash a custom recovery, flash a custom ROM of your choice, flash Magisk to root and then you need to flash this module via Magisk

    Once that's done, you need to enable Zygisk inside Magisk and turn on "enforce deny list".

    All the instructions you need are over on XDA.

    Sounds complicated but its very easy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Can you not download an upgrade so that the app works ?

    That's what I was hoping to do as in a similar situation with Huaweii Honor Lite .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,524 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Most manufacturers push out updates. If your phone or tablet is on Android 10 or earlier, you've been abandoned by the manufacturer. You can always try for an update but unless you've been ignoring multiple 'Software update is ready to download' messages for the past 3-4 years, you're version is almost certainly parked/stabilised and is going nowhere.



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