Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

It's an offence to enter Ireland if you don't have permission. This includes entering via the North or via anywhere.

I have given a long list of changes we need to make, most of which is about enforcing existing laws and improving border control.

Regarding claims that we are unable to prosecute people who destroy their passports or travel with fake documents; a recent Garda operation shows that it is possible (https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sudanese-man-jailed-as-deterrent-to-others-after-arriving-at-dublin-airport-with-no-id-or-passport-1592707.html).

I want to see these laws enforced all the time, not just part of a special operation that lasts a few days. At least 60% of our undocumented arrivals are not refugees so every one of them should all be charged.

The guilt tripping that some posters are engaging in here, stating that we shouldn't have a robust border in case migrants jump onto boats is not acceptable. While I'm in favour of helping our neighbours to reduce the arrivals of migrant boats, I am absolutely not in favour of purposely leaving holes in our system. We are not at fault if people decide to risk their lives on boats. Unfortunately endless amounts of horrifying things happen around the world every day - we cannot prevent most of it. What we can do is ensure we have a properly functioning country here and then try to help some international causes however we can.

Someone mentioned gangs in France sticking people on these boats. What about the gangs of refugees with Irish passports who are now coordinating arrivals of more chancers like themselves? The people guiding other undocumented scammers are generally those who have gotten away with it themselves and have ended up securing citizenship as a result. The more we allow it, the more it will happen. https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-jailed-for-facilitating-illegal-immigration-into-ireland-1403722.html

I don't know if many of the people out working all the hours to save up deposits for homes have the time to be out protesting as well .

Might be the odd one doing a night shift tho ;)

Certainly the citizen journalists and activists at every protest around the country don't seem to be working at anything else .

Everybody is pvssed off with the housing crisis as long as I can remember and its worse than it was .

But I don't know how many people other than activists who would be out protesting against immigrants unless they really thought they were taking something from them , social housing and benefits wise .

Absolutely.

No problem all our immigrant neighbours renting and buying houses here with money they have saved and worked hard for , paying taxes here.

They are better neighbours than some others who are Irish born and, I won't say bred , dragged up, more like .

However I don't think all who are on benefits are undeserving or feckless , like asylum seekers some deserve the benefit of the doubt( ! ) and more are on hap and other help because of the higher cost of living , high rents , ill health and genuine disability.

Building housing for them, thereby encouraging others to follow suit, is not feasible.

Putting them up in hotels which become venues for riots and violence at the expense of our tourist industry is not feasible.

Having a border control system that facilitates and encourages people to destroy their documents as a means of bypassing all normal residency rules is not feasible.

We must do all we can to prevent them arriving here, as difficult as that may be.

edit: to the list of things that are not feasible, let's add "having shanty towns spring up around the country" also.

Once they state they are claiming asylum at all its hands off because the gardaí know it's a waste of their time going further .

Unless they can prove that somebody was resident elsewhere directly they arrive , .and thatusually takes some processing to get to that .

I hear what you are saying though .

Nobody wants loads of people who are only interested in benefit scrounging here and those telling lies about where they came from , not saying they all are but a good percentage are looking for a better place for themselves and their families but not real refugees . This we can agree on .

But the best way to deter those that are, is a more efficient process which finds out who's who quickly , who is genuine , and then where the others are coming from and send them back .

I haven't heard about building houses for anyone except modular homes for Ukrainian refugees .

Only accomodation centres to house those being processed.

This should have been done straight away when they ditched direct provision centres but the present government fvcked up .

They obviously had to have a passport either real or fake when they got on the plane that brought them here.

Nobody seems to be able to answer why that passport would have been destroyed on the plane or at the airport terminal before meeting immigration officals.

It certainly has been explained:

"An RTE report earlier this year highlighted that while it should be impossible to board an international flight without a valid identity document, prospective asylum applicants may board a plane using a "borrowed" or forged passport, which they may dispose of or return to their agent or trafficker during the journey.

The Irish Refugee Council also notes on its website that "some people may fear if they produce" a passport upon arrival that "they will be immediately removed back to the country of origin or the country from which they have travelled."

While travelling with a false passport or destroying it are offences under the Passport Act, doing so does not necessarily invalidate any subsequent application for international protection. For instance, a person fleeing political persecution or a conflict-ridden nation may be unable to obtain a passport from state authorities, or the state may be dysfunctional."

But the article makes perfectly clear that many of those travelling on fake passports may well be genuine refugees seeking asylum and gives the reasons why this may be the case (e.g. it may have been either dangerous or physically impossible for them to apply for a passport from the country they are fleeing).

Can you link to this past post please?

Or.. What date did you post it and where?

Ivana Bacik doesn't seem to have any interest in winning people over with argument. She just keeps smearing ordinary people who have concerns about immigration as being far right.

What we're not hearing is that the vast majority of people in these working class areas would not be on board with this nonsense. The wasters of the far right will always try and spin it as an entire community speaking as one, when it's nothing of the sort. The Sunday World had an article yesterday about how known local convicted criminals were planning on attending this 'protest'.

Bacik is so far out of touch with the general public that she makes Leo Varadkar look like a "man of the people!!"

I remember when Labour was the party who represented the ordinary hard working individual, now they're a bunch of D4 liberal champagne socialists..

As you've so subtly pointed out the social issues on display here, maybe you can also tell me if it's a good idea to place hundreds of undocumented males from the middle-east and africa into this community?