Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I've asked this in the other thread but is there any verifiable evidence that these are the 4 that actually did it?

By verifiable I don't mean the FSB saying that they did it or any confessions that were gathered under extreme duress.

Are there are photos or videos of them from Friday night, in the act, where they are clearly the 4 that showed up in court yesterday? Everything that I have seen from Friday ether has blurred faces or they were too far away to be identifiable.

I am not asking this trying to be some kind of crank. I just don't know what that link is.

That didn't happen in the bataclan attack in Paris, the perpetrators escaped mostly across border into Belgium. Of course the Russian authorities are desperate not to link it to Paris because that rubbishes their link with ukraine and it also says Moscow is no different to a European city to islamists. The Russians always like to think that they are somehow exceptional and not actually the same as other Europeans, that's what they will again anyway when putin imperialist adventure has collapsed

Every night in Kyiv there is a terrorist attack.

I hope it was those captured men who carried it out because if it was 4 random lads then they’re going through the most horrific torture for nothing.

They may not be being tortured physically. All the fsb has to say is say this or else we kill your family and everyone associated with you. Or say this and your family gets 200k and all their debts paid off. There's different forms of coercion over personal physical torture.

While that may be the case in theory, the reality is that these 4 men are most certainly being brutally tortured and the FSB are more than happy to let the world know about it. There is a picture all over Twitter of one of them (clearly identifiable) on the floor, with his hands handcuffed behind his back, his pants around his ankles and someone standing on his legs to pin them down. There is an electrical device wired to his genitals and his face is contorted in agony. There is also a video, doing the rounds on Telegram, of a different one of them having his ear cut off and then being forced to eat it. A third one showed up in court unconscious in a wheelchair, in what appeared to be a surgical gown so god only knows what happened to him.

Far from the first time in Russian history that innocent people would be put on trial and then 'confess' .

There are videos showing the physical torture. Obviously leaked by the Russian security services. Which itself is pretty shocking unless there is absolute 100 percent proof they have the right guys and it seems there is still no evidence of that

The way Putin has set Russian authority up is everything has to seem strong. Whatever 90% of the vote for him it had to be higher than the last vote. The next one will have to be higher again or he won't be strong and he'll have face lost and he's finished straight away. He's hung from a lamppost.

By showing the torture it's as much of a warning to his own people of the strength of Putin and what he is capable of.

It's a backward society but that's how the Putin authority rule as a dictatorship.

Ah he is. But they can't admit it in public or tell non Russians this. Russians talk in code and they know there's certain words they can't say on the phone even to anyone outside Russia. Anyone asks about Putin. The answer is I'm not political or he is good.

To show that they were leaving no stone unturned in their search for the culprits and show the general public that they were treating them as they deserved to be treated. And many people will be happy to see this. But not everyone will be happy, matter of fact, they will be extremely angry, and are already planning vengeance ie: ISIS.

This could indeed be very dangerous. Russia jamming civilian airlines over Europe. For longest time now .. 47 hours so far.

Have a look at Markus replies to this tweet:

Green dot map shows the new configuration fully focused on almost exlusively Polish controlled airspace (Warzawa FIR), leaving a nice clear corridor for Kaliningrad-flights.

Further down the comments is:

Top list of affected unique airplanes. Poor Poland-flagged 48c131 / SP-RKS takes the podium with 6.5 hours without working GPS (during only 47 hours).

Its crew has some unfortunate routes last days if one wants to avoid GPS-jamming.

Note RYANAIR

As to why we are not hearing of this:

It has been in the news, on and off, officially confirmed from several Baltic countries. Been going on since December.

Time to jam the Russians.

Unless it's to bless cruise missiles or suicide drones.