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Key Bridge in Baltimore collapses after being hit by a container ship

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭JVince


    This is just crap thought process. It didn't happen peak morning. "What if" comments make no sense whatsoever in anything.

    And then the speculation that "its unlikely maintenance related". You can tell that by a few second of video? I'd love to know your expertise.


    Do you know if the bridge was lit up properly? Do you know if any safety measures such as warning buoys were faulty? or any other aspect of safety design built into the structure - I haven't a clue, I have zero expertise as you do and most posters and I certainly can't see from a few seconds of very very grainy video coverage.


    leave the tabloid rubbish to the tabloids and let the experts do the real work



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Oh. I’ve probably misinterpreted what I read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Some one got out of bed the wrong side!

    Its completely normal to be thankful that it didn't happen during a time when casualties would be in the hundreds.

    Now to your other point, yes it could be down to lack of navigation lights, but the bridge still took a direct hit. Its not due to poor maintenance of the bridge structure.

    This is a discussion board, posters are discussing. If you want expert analysis go elsewhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Instant collapse then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,131 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    So the 20 figure seems to just relates to the number of construction workers on the bridge at the time, but doesn't include how many cars or people inside who were on the bridge.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭aidanodr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭aidanodr




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Why the hell was it traveling so close to the support pillars.

    There is bucket loads of space to the right and also considering how slow these ships go it should be almost impossible to hit one of the columns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,069 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    A Mass Casualty Incident isn't defined by the number of casualties. It's defined by the ability of the emergency responders to cope with the number of casualties. An ambulance with a crew of two responding to a car crash with three casualties would be a Mass Casualty Incident. In this case, it would have been down to the difficulty in getting to the casualties (in the water, or on the unstable remnants of the bridge) - overall, you need a lot more than one responder for each casualty, and you need specialists that aren't immediately at hand, so the first responders would have declared it a Mass Casualty Incident, because they couldn't handle it themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Ah thank you. I thought it referred to the expected number of casualties.



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  • There have been several tragedies resulting from bridge strike. I watched a documentary on one down New Orleans direction where a barge hit a bridge post, entire thing collapsed as a train was passing. Poor design.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,178 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    There are reports that the ship seems to have lost power shortly before the crash.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls@UNSRVAW "Very concerned about these statements by the IOC at Paris2024 There are multiple international treaties and national constitutions that specifically refer to#women and their fundamental rights to equality and non-discrimination, so the world has a pretty good idea of what women -and men for that matter- are. Also, how can one assess whether fairness and justice has been reached if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users Posts: 276 ✭✭Johnwayne98


    Sending light and strength to everyone affected by this terrible tragedy.



  • Posts: 0 Anna Spicy Topic


    A lot of those old bridges are one-off designs with some questionable structural decisions by modern standards as they were designed in the days before computer modelling.

    That one is only from 1977.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,178 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    One of the very few things that I found positive in Trump's original campaign promises (last time round, that is - this time out his manifesto seems to be mainly "because I'm worth it") was that he said he'd ensure improvements in infra structure like roads and bridges. As I said above, it was an aspect of the US that had previously struck me as bizarre in such a wealthy country.

    Of course, as usual with Trump, I don't think he really delivered on it.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls@UNSRVAW "Very concerned about these statements by the IOC at Paris2024 There are multiple international treaties and national constitutions that specifically refer to#women and their fundamental rights to equality and non-discrimination, so the world has a pretty good idea of what women -and men for that matter- are. Also, how can one assess whether fairness and justice has been reached if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,579 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    That's nice of you. If I'd some to spare I'd do the same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 276 ✭✭Johnwayne98


    Unhelpful comment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,922 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's not bizarre at all. It's the result of having a large number of voters who think the government should be involved in defence and border control only and all other aspects of the country should be private.

    Taxation or the government spending any money on infrastructure, public transport or healthcare is considered communism to these clowns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,775 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Biden's administration delivered Infrastructure spending of around $110bn as part of the giant "Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act." Maryland would've been responsible for this bridge. I expect we'll learn plenty about this in the coming days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭_H80_GHT


    How has your own comment helped?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,110 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Maintenance is unlikely to have been a cause, poor design was.

    Zero protection for the bridge supports as someone else already posted.

    Even if only traveling at 5 knots and unladen, the ship had a gross tonnage of 95,000t.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭JVince


    If it was daytime the ship's captain would most likely have seen the issue and changed course.

    Hence the "peak" comment is nonsensical.

    Along with the rest of the post as you (and I) have nothing to go on except a bit of grainy video.


    Looks like they saw the issue happening and bridge had been closed and just some emergency vehicles were on the bridge.


    I was on that bridge last September. Great piece of engineering. Friends live in Baltimore - but they'd only use the bridge if going on a recreation trip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭Hooked


    Poor design? Maintenance?

    No "protection" was stopping 95,000 tonnes.

    Ship must have lost power or had muppets in charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,271 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    It has nothing to do with the captain, when ships are entering or exiting ports they have local pilots on board who direct the course as local knowledge is required for all ports. There were 2 pilots on board so either they both fucked up or there was a serious engine/steering issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,694 ✭✭✭Feisar


    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,471 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,694 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I agree, it's a tragedy but mass casualty seems an excessive term. Four people lost their lives in a car crash in Armagh the other day. Is it a mass casualty incident?

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭RonanG86


    Not an expert, but I'm hearing from others talking about this that container ships have ballooned in size since then. The largest container ship in '72 apparently could hold 3,000 40ft containers, whilst the Dali takes 10,000.

    If watching stuff like from Seconds from Disaster has thought me anything, it'll be a combination of the following:

    - There will have been multiple safety issues with the boat's electrical systems which caused the power, and presumably navigation / steering gear, failure. (The lights go out twice as it's approaching) With redundancies either not working or not installed to save money.

    - The crew or pilot will have been somehow deficient. Not able to read radar distances properly or something.

    - The bridge could've been made stronger with the addition of a 5c washer on every bolt or something like that. This was not done to save money.

    - At some point the city would've been required by law to increase collision protection around the pillars for the central spans but hadn't done it, and the law hadn't been enforced cos the relevant body is massively underfunded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,271 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    What nobody is currently talking about is that Baltimore port is effectively shutdown for the foreseeable until the ship and wreckage are cleared. Thats going to have a serious economic impact for the city and region.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,471 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's a major incident with mass causalities and with pretty serious ramifications going forward.

    State of emergency has been declared.



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