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Key Bridge in Baltimore collapses after being hit by a container ship

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    how many would you be happy with for a mass casualty event?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    The would have been designed to withstand one of the supports being hit so questions have to be asked about what preventative measures were in place.

    It has nothing on the bridge collapse in Genoa but it's obviously a blessing the time it happened at. Could have been much worse if it were 07:30.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭JVince


    Looks like a malfunction as the bridge was closed and it was emergency vehicles that were on the bridge. - you can see them stopped with flashing beacons in the stream coverage just as the ship hits.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    It’s got nothing to do with happiness. When I saw that it was the leading story on BBC news and watched the video I had expected possibly hundreds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,046 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Changing course on a ship with no power, do you think the captain should have used prayer and/or magic?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    the phrase are you happy with something doesn't relate to you being happy

    is 20 not enough for ya



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭RonanG86


    Power seems to fail twice in the few minutes as the ship approaches the bridge (lights go out). Given the rudder on that ship is presumably the size of a small building, the movement is electrically or hydraulically assisted. So it needs power to work.

    Also the ship then seems to steer towards the span between the two power failures which would suggest the rudder might have gotten jammed anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭bennyx_o


    Not sure the bridge was closed. There's a longer video in this tweet and you can see truck crossing the bridge with the beacons of (what I assume to be) worker vehicles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    And the bridge will need to be rebuilt from scratch after all that cleared



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,046 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    FWIW, this is the bridge in question




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Jesus Christ that is a chilling few seconds of footage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,231 ✭✭✭Be right back


    It seems to me that the traffic was stopped crossing the bridge? There seems to be a good bit of traffic but nothing just before the collision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭bennyx_o


    Press conference on now - sonar has detected vehicles submerged but no confirmation of numbers. No confirmation of workers on the bridge, either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,106 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    ever seen a whole bridge collapse before.


    There is a famous example of the Tacoma bridge in US which collapsed in high winds a few years ago. It is used as a classic example (somewhat simplistically, and not entirely accurate) of resonance in physics and engineering textbooks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,599 ✭✭✭prunudo


    If you look at the track on Marine traffic you can see it drifting to starboard as it approaches the bridge, it also slows a bit, so the theory of it losing power is plausible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    From the footage it looks like the ship didn’t just hit the supporting column, it completely took it out altogether. The ship appears to be stationary underneath where the bridge used to be, with a large section of the bridge collapsed on to its top deck.

    Absolutely crazy incident, you’d hope there wasn’t too much traffic considering it was 1:30am because nobody will last long in that freezing water.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,694 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Ah would you lay off. No one is saying it's not a tragedy. When I heard read mass casualty I was thinking a lot more than twenty.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,922 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,046 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    you know, you could just drop the topic of demanding numbers from him because no-one is gaining anything from that? not even you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,525 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,694 ✭✭✭Feisar


    As you said "happy" isn't really the term. Lets go with satisfies the definition.

    According to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK482373/ a mass casualty incident is: "A mass casualty incident (MCI) is an incident where the number of patients exceeds the amount of healthcare resources available. This number varies widely across the country, but is typically greater than 10 patients."

    So to be honest I was looking at it in terms of deaths but that's not that it is, I wouldn't have thought a cities medical services wouldn't be able to handle the numbers involved. Having said that it's not twenty injuries presenting to a hospital so given the added strain from the obvious logistical constraints it's another matter however that brings more than medical into it.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,560 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    State of emergency just a technical thing in America. They do it for everything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    You'd think with it being pointed out a long time ago that the USA's infrastructure was crumbling that either political party would propose a gigantic public works program to fix the issues there would be no negative to this it would create jobs for the abandoned industrial heartlands and industrial workers.

    If Trump had any sense at all it should have been the first thing he proposed as president it would have had no negative impacts for him at all particularly seeing a people of the rust belt and the abandoned working classes were the people e was supposed to be representing it would have been a win win for him and the country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 564 ✭✭✭maximus15


    Going by video clip there are a few people who drove by 15-30 seconds before it collapsed who are incredibly lucky people .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    whoever looks at this story and focuses on whether it qualifies as a mass casualty event or not has underlying issues to resolve



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,103 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I can't fathom why people are going on about 5c washers and maintainance when a massive great ship smashed into a bridge. Do people expect a 95,000 tonne vessel to bounce off?

    If there is a maintainance issue it looks likely it will be regarding the ship. If it lost power, the ship owners will be copping this for poor maintainance and un-seaworthiness of their vessel as it doesn't look like the pilots had anything to work with.

    As for people going on about 7 people not amounting to a mass casualty event; there will likely be vehicles sittimg on the bottom with bodies in them. The casualty figure is very likely to climb as vehicles and bodies are found and recovered. If it turns out to be less than 20 dead that would be extremely fortunate. I hope that I am wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,118 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Also the bridge cannot be 'repaired' (too dangerous apparently). It will need to be rebuilt from scratch - massive disruption to transport and trade in the region.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,560 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    I thought the same. Mass casualty event made it seem more dramatic than it actually was. No deaths reported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,894 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    As others have said on the thread, anyone visiting the US and spending time there often notices the decaying infrastructure. It's bad in the east coast cities and worse in the mid-west.

    We often joke about the US being a 3rd world country wearing a Gucci belt. It's perhaps not the best analogy, but incidents such as this one? Hammer home the disparity apparent that the richest country in the world and it's infrastructure seems to have.

    From railway derailments, bridge collapses, many state & local govt funded roads & infrastructure creaking from age, & lack of maintenance. This latest collapse is a symptom of disjointed and chaotic funding and responsibilities.

    On the topic of this collapse, yes it was initiated by the collision of a ship. Yet, no mitigation or protection was in place around the piers, and the piers in a busy shipping lane are an immediately obvious point of failure. I don't know what the weight of the ship involved was, but imagine 40000 tons moving at 8/9 knots impacting the pier of a cantilevered bridge is a recipe for disaster.

    My thoughts are with the victims and I hope that if nothing else? This latest collapse focuses minds and funding on US infrastructure issues.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,471 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    They don't.

    They declare it so they can get federal resources and funding.

    Specialist federal rescue teams, etc.

    A major piece of infrastructure has collapsed, Billy Bob with an angle grinder isn't going to suffice.



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