Pubs and Clubs to get longer opening hours

It's good that premises will have the option but I don't see it helping their businesses, the culture is rapidly changing.

As a result most places will not avail of the ability to stay open later and everyone will still end up being turfed out at the same time.

Seriously though, this has been in place in England for almost 20 years now, I'm sure there is a wealth of research available and analysis both pro and con the current laws there.

I wish someone - instead of trotting out silly “nanny state at it again” or “holy Catholic ireland doesn’t want paddy to go mad” type rubbishy arguments would address the following:

lack of public transport in middle of the night? Particularly so outside Dublin

Gardai resourcing to ensure policing of the heavily intoxicated drunks and drugged at 4:45 am ?-the negotiations for that will be fun...:/

Health resources (A & E and hospitals resourced so that 4:45am is now “rush hour” ?- the nurses will love that...

Public health consequences down the line say 5 years? Alcohol and drug addiction rates?

Consequences on street crime and drug dealing?

Consequences on drink and drug driving in early hours of the morning due to lack of public transport?

Labour resourcing - staffing to work all night and what pay will be provided?

Noise pollution and general annoyance in residential areas where families are in bed asleep but have to get up at 6 am to go to work and school?

Have at it, folks...

Why do I mention drugs? Because I have decades of experience of living in Ireland and I am not naive.

Drugs are a huge part of Irish social scene - absolutely intertwined.

I haven’t used woke repeatedly - check back my posts. I responded to 1 post saying this proposal is woke.

if you are asking me what woke means for me - it means pathetic attempts by politicians to be trendy and “cool” in an attempt to attract popularity.

Please address my earlier post and stop firing abuse at me. Thanks.

I raised many more issues than woke.

Forget about woke, you can have that if you wish, - that’s not my central point.

My central point is there are a myriad of societal consequences that the “ah sure be grand” brigade are ignoring or refusing to address because they know there is no quick fix solution or glib sound bite

This thread has had everything you are going to come up with done to death already.

The consultation on this legislation had it all done to death already.

There is nothing "woke" - either your, common and telling, misinterpretation of the meaning or the actual, utterly irrelevant to this, meaning - about the legislation. Its basically dragging Ireland in to the 1980s; reducing the nanny stateism and will, in time, reduce some of the childish behaviour around alcohol that the country has because of being treated like children. This is sensible legislation, which we should have had decades ago - and likely would have had had John O'Donoghue never been let near Justice.

There won't be a rush to get three pints at last orders when last orders is two hours after you go to bed. Anyone who has actually been in places that have proper late opening know that by the time places close, they're empty. Everyone goes home when they want to, not when the Government tells them to. Streets, bus stops, taxi ranks and takeaways don't get crammed in one ten minute period because not everyone leaves in one ten minute period.

The nanny state brigade ignore reality because they like people to be treated like children.

It also isn't Berlin or Barcelona.. Also in those European cities have a highly visible Police presence.. we don't have that here. Ever try talking back to the Polizei??

In a nation that's known for its binge drinking(and in Dublin city centre known for its antisocial behavior)... We're not like the Spanish who will only go to a drinking establishment until 9 or 10pm.. And in those cities the only ones falling about the place or fighting in the streets are the tourists..

(As for going on about cycle lanes and Greenways, no idea what you're on about there.)

Yeap, after closing time the Policía Local out patrolling in their White cars ensuring order on the streets..

Do you honestly think we will become "Spanish" overnight.. going out for dinner at 9pm and the pub at midnight? What would the pubs do to make up for the lack of early evening customers... We're Irish, many like to get out early and home early.. Thursdays now are the busiest times for pubs as the after work crowd now work from home on a Friday so things are changing..

Right, so according to you Late night licencing will solve the issues of limited night opening.. ok, good luck, probably won't get passed into law during this Government and if it does then will be subject to commercial demands, which is most Irish towns and villages won't even know the new laws exist.

If it doesn't get taken up by nightclubs, it can't cause any of the dire issues that people are claiming will result. That is not a reason to not implement it.

We have to reduce the ridiculous babying around alcohol in this country if we don't want the obvious outcome of being babied - people acting like children. The current Government has brought in two ridiculous babying things (one, the seperate sections in shops, just makes alcohol even more alluring to actual children), they can at least bring this in to counterbalance.

It seems to me that many of the people opposing it are never next nor near a town or city centre that might have these later opening hours, and would have no intention to be there yet are very vocal about opposing it from their rural or suburbia house far away from such venues.

You’d swear this was something new, when I started going out in the mid 00’s many clubs had a “theatre” licence. I recall pegging it many times for the Nitelink to just about make the 04:30 last bus, because you could be served til 03:30 and in reality in those places it was 04:30 before you got out.

Then it was food and onto this early house place on the quays that opened around 06:30 and we left around 08:30 home on the early buses. This was all in Dublin.

Many places around Europe I’ve gone out in and had long nights out and also normal nights out. Different venues catered to different needs. Some closed early, some late and some bars even open 24 hours! And guess what? There was never this mad rush to drown oneself with alcohol to try and get drunk before you had to call it a night.

Does this mean a 2 0'clock bird will become a 6 o'clock bird?

I'd say the Galway Hooker by Heuston as it opens at 7am but frustratingly it closes seemingly at random but you can never get served after around 6.50pm - annoying when trains are running till 11. I often get the 9pm to Cork and would love a pint or two as I wait.

I love a drink, the social aspect is waning due to the costs but a nice drink is relaxing.

I have never taken drugs - yet I support the legalisation/decriminalisation of cannabis, why ? Because it's none of my damn business what a grown adult does.

Alcohol can cause medical and societal problems; gambling can cause societal problems; so can drugs - so can addictions to anything!!

But when a tiny minority cannot handle it and millions can - why punish the majority ??