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Pubs and Clubs to get longer opening hours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    And the 6am is only a tiny headline grabbing part of a good law that's long been needed.

    I lived there more recently and the vast majority of places still close at 11 and are super strict about it too. It wasn't really a problem in London though because people don't stupidly wait till 9 to go out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,874 ✭✭✭buried


    The most frightening aspect was that all these people look the same, gaunt, skeletal features. Exactly like you see the depictions of Irish people during the famine. And they are all on these streets where the developer cranes are pulling up all these shiny corporate offices/apartments or Brown Thomas is showcasing 5000 euro handbags in the shopfront window.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's not the fault of Brown Thomas customers that they decided to shoot up.

    Pathetic comparing them to famine victims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    A note on the aforementioned Galway Hooker at Heuston. Had to work late and get the 7pm to Cork.

    Gets to Heuston 6.25 in time for a pint and place is locked up tighter than a squirrel’s bottom. They have a decent regular clientele and could have more if they didn’t piss people off so often!!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,874 ✭✭✭buried


    Yeah but I never blamed Brown Thomas customers, did I?

    I'm not comparing these people to famine victims either. I just said they resemble them. So wind your neck in.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,874 ✭✭✭buried


    What's that? Looking around the capital city with my own two eyes? You tell me what I'm doing so

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭techman1


    The most frightening aspect was that all these people look the same, gaunt, skeletal features. Exactly like you see the depictions of Irish people during the famine.

    they wouldn't be let into a nightclub or late bar anyway, these places have very strict door policies not like your regular bar. So whether nightclubs get later closing times is not going to change what you saw. Alot of the vagrancy you saw is related to the accomodation and migration crises nothing to do with nightclubs



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,874 ✭✭✭buried


    Yeah but we all have to frequent the same streets, whether you want to go some other venue for a change, or end up going to head for home/wherever you are laying your head. These desperate people are there too, en masse. And from the last time I was in Dublin, which was only a year and a bit ago, the situation has definitely gotten a Hell of a lot worse. What's it going to be like in a years time? Especially when all these desperate people now know the venues are going to be open until 6am?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Addiction isn't pretty, pro-longed addiction and homelessness is even worse.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,313 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    They took out the TVs recently too

    Was hoping to see the Gold Cup there when I got the train up but nope

    Pa Duggans across the road is a great spot for a pre train pint if you're ever stuck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Bless you young sir/madam!!!

    They used to have football on - I recall watching us play Sweden I think in the Euros and drinking silly levels watching!

    Cheers for the tip!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Powerful words from the Head of Alcohol Action Dr Gilheaney on RTÉ at moment.

    Clearly, it’s time to scrap this ill thought out proposal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    fair play to him, Peadar Toibin calling for the Bill to be scrapped too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Sinn Fein rep (didn’t catch her name) on now saying there’s a clear need to do a health impact assessment before going any further.

    Also compared the public transport in Berlin to Ireland - there are no similar services here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,313 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Eitherway they should do something about Sunday times. It's frustrating seeing places close at 1am (12.30 last orders)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    AAI are neoprohibitionists incapable of holding a balanced view on anything related to alcohol.

    This isn't ill thought out and should have been enacted decades ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    it is great to hear respected public health professionals like Dr Gilheaney and TDs from both opposition and Govt, on national radio agreeing this proposal is ill thought out - you get the sense it will be scrapped.

    On balance, good news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    AAI are not respected

    TDs acting as publicans mouthpieces want to stop this as they don't want the competition of new licences and cultural licences.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    You might change your mind about that if you were living next door to a very noisy pub. Especially if you had to be up early in the morning for work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,313 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Not a big issue giving the normal noise 6 other nights of the week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,512 ✭✭✭francois


    Easy enough to go to the pub with some neighbours, speak to the manager, say you've been keeping a tab on noise levels and times, and you will object to the licence renewal if it continues.

    I did this and it worked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,313 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Living on a street with 3 pubs, one across the road. Thankfully one across is mostly a day time boozer and the lunatics are gone by 10pm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I actually told my friend that he could object to the licence. He spoke to the publican several times and was laughed at. The noise is coming from the yard of the pub where he has music 4 nights a week, until 1 am at weekends. He is in trouble with the planning office too I hear because he had no permission to extend out the back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Good to see Dr Gilheaney was given some time on the six o clock RTÉ news.

    She makes imminent sense.

    Full public health impact assessment required before this goes anywhere.

    That Sunny Sharp guy from “give us back the night” is ineffectual, Stephen Kenny levels of communication skills - does their side no good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Are you deliberately or accidentally misspelling his name?

    AAI have zero credibility, anywhere, ever. Supported MUP which transfers harm to drugs; supported the ridiculous retail setup that makes alcohol even more appealling to kids by making it seem "naughty".

    Neoprohibitionists with zero sense, and thankfully very few people falling for their crap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,313 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Covid showed the public health organisations thoughts on alcohol and they banged the drum against its for most part

    They know best for us, I doubt they have any respect for the OAP having a few pints etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    so longer opening hours will cause a significant rise in road accidents, thats interesting!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Well it's not that much of a stretch to make such an argument.

    The longer people spend drinking the longer it takes it to ware off, so if you are driving the next morning after a late night out then you may not be as capable as if you had stopped earlier in the night.

    I've been in such situations, you plan on leaving early but the night is going well and there is a venue still serving you keep going, with the attitude, "I'll be fine"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,847 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Personal responsibility comes into play here Fr. Tod.

    And I'm sure you managed to make the right decision as do most people.

    As for AAI, they insisted on MUP to control our drinking in the safety of our own home.

    Now they are fretting about us ending up in hospital if we go out for a drink.

    Let's face it their problem is with us drinking at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    A lot of people aren't going home as when the pubs close do people like AAI not realise that with all their "research". At any given weekend night I have the option of heading to 3 or 4 different houses for drinks after closing and I'm in my mid 40's with a small group of friends. Imagine what people in their 20's or 30's are doing. Opening venues later will not decrease late night drinking it will just move it from houses to pubs/clubs. The naivety of some people who don't realise this is dumbfounding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,313 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Times tonight makes things more confusing

    Guess 12.30 is last orders in all bars



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭Jackben75


    wouldn't be concerned about this at all, lived in OZ for many a year with more or less 24 hour bars, as you get into the deep hours of night, a lot of the bars clubs become crap and empty out, yeah you'll have stragglers and the odd group here and there but it will be few and far between after the novelty has worn off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,245 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I'm in two minds on this. On the one hand it would get us in line with other countries.

    On the other hand no one can possibly deny this country has a disturbingly dysfunctional relationship with alcohol versus most other countries.

    We all know the trouble that happens when clubs close on a weekend.

    It's a definite risk to implement here. Would we simply be transferring the problems to all parts of the day?

    We all know people on a night out who, but for last orders, would drink until they couldn't stand.

    Will people be going to work as drunks fall out of establishments first thing in the morning?

    Would we be making a chronic societal problem just worse?

    These are not unreasonable questions to ask.

    Basically to be won over by the arguments you have to believe that more access will mean less drinking, less problems.

    That's a hard argument to make in Ireland, sadly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Difference over there though is they're far stricter when it comes to getting completely hammered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,267 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    On the one hand it would get us in line with other countries.

    On the other hand no one can possibly deny this country has a disturbingly dysfunctional relationship with alcohol versus most other countries

    Its almost as if our dysfunctional relationship with alcohol is a result of our prohibition style laws around alcohol availability





  • I didn’t think kids could actually buy alcohol though 🤔 legally





  • have many people crossed close paths with either an alcoholic or drug addict, those whose minds have been seriously bent by long term heavy misuse, and likely whose bodies have been destroyed by same?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,222 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    I'd say all of us gave, if we're being honest.

    And we know full well that these people will not go home when they are "ready" because they are never ready.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Far too expensive to do that nowadays. Almost €6 a pint of Guinness with another price rise incoming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,773 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    You can argue the same for any addicts. Drink, drugs, gambling, porn, food, cigarettes, phone screens, gaming, religion, fitness, whatever to excess - it will take its toll on the mind and body. However, should we ban/restrict everything because a few cannot cope without succumbing to excesses?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭TokTik


    I’d say the negotiations would go something like “Ok lads, you have to do the job you’re paid for during the hours your shift is scheduled for”.

    Seems fairly handy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Industrial relations negotiations in this country may “seem fairly handy” at the outset - VERY different story when the two sides sit down to do a deal - especially with the public sector.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,222 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    You've obviously not had to recruit and retain hospitality staff recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭TokTik


    What deal? Why would there be a deal? You do your job, as normal, for the hours you’re rostered in for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Why would hospitality staff be working for An Garda Siochana??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,442 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I love the irony of a full public health impact report being needed for late opening hours while for minimum unit pricing it was just a case of "yeah this will cost everyone more but we think it will be grand cus think of the children" meanwhile scotland is showing a marked increase in hard drug problems across all ages including children since its introduction.

    Scrapping this bill is just typical reactionary and regressive conservative nonsense from the 50+ age group who despise young people being able to enjoy themselves.

    Meanwhile in Germany they already have staggered late opening hours with no issues and have just legalised weed while we think going the other direction is a good idea. Cant wait for my next stag in Berlin, dont imagine many will be coming or even staying here in the future and whether people like it or not they are a boon to the economy among other various forms of tourism which scrapping this will absolutely have a negative impact on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,847 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Well they wouldn't be would they.

    The overnight hospitality provided by AGS is nobody's first choice 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,847 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Yes, MUP currently costing modest drinkers a few hundred per year was another FG pro pub wheeze that morphed into a health measure based on a wing and a prayer.

    Now FG needing an easy win are at it again and this time it's the late night drinkers in the firing line.



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