Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Did she really say " no debate whatsoever "?

I have not read that anywhere else except your post above which doesn't quote a link .

This is what I have seen from Newstalk abd the Irush Examiner et al quoting the same sentences but not that phrase ...

Because reading that it looks like she will introduce legislation before the cabinet , which IS going through the Dáil and Seanad .before it goes to the Chief Justice.. so why say there is no debate ?

It doesn't go through without debate , does it ?

So where did you get that phrase there " no debate whatsoever "? Did you add that yourself or is that from a source ?

I would still suggest there is not that much difference between a 25 year old refugee from Afghanistan and a 25 year old 'economic migrant' from Georgia in terms of employability. I'm not suggesting for a moment we should waive the rules for irregular or 'illegal' migrants, but I wouldn't necessarily buy the idea that they are unemployable. An economic migrant is clearly someone who is looking for work and is able to work.

I know you could not be suggesting that we employ those who are not accepted as refugees and should be returned ..we would be encouraging wholesale abuse of our asylum and employment laws if so .

What do you mean, Strazdas? Are you talking about while they are waiting for a decision ?

Here is what I want:

(1) exit checks

(2) Irish builders abroad to be attracted home by no income tax for ten years if they build new houses

(3) EU citizens who can't support themselves - use existing rules to remove

(4) English-language school scams - clampdown

(5) UKR refugees - 1% of population is enough, so 51,000 appox, the rest sent home

(6) All deportations to be switched from self-deportation to instant, accompanied deportations, plane on standby 24/7

(7) Existing AS: process claims much faster, shorten appeal process, increase removals

(8) aim for zero AS. If this means all pax must register in advance for all flights, so be it.

On point 4, if language schools were clamped down on the rental crisis would be massively ameliorated. I think it's something like 29k English language visas are issued annually.

The big government cover up , 50 to 70 % have actually made claims in other countries!! No wonder there are protests.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/up-to-70pc-of-people-seeking-international-protection-in-ireland-have-also-applied-in-other-countries/ar-BB1kDCXY?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=0fa5c29c09c84872be8266070958b4fb&ei=19

And how is that in any way fair to foreign nationals who go through the proper channels, apply for work visas and provide documentation to support their application? Why bother sticking to the rules if they just need to arrive, claim asylum and brazen it out until they can work or go on benefits.

Rewarding those who scam our systems by granting them the same status and privileges as genuine visa holders is wrong imo.

Some good ideas there Geuze, particularly 2) to incentivise builders and there are likely other elements that could be added to make up a very attractive package, well justified given the housing crisis.

It's a discussion forum.

If you continually make disingenuous points, you can expect to be called on it.

Not saying it’s relevant , just what other countries do. In an effort to stop people trafficking Germany has “temporary” checkpoints with Switzerland, Austria and Czech Republic. Temporary is allowed under Schengen rules but I’m no legal eagle

One lane of the motorway is blocked and signposted and everyone is directed to drive through a lay-by. Most cars (well I guess they look for local’ish reg plates) and lorries waved through. There are huge marquees you drive under.

International buses are almost guaranteed to be stopped. The type of target they are looking for. Everyone is asked to stand outside and have your ID ready. If you pass inspection then you stand at the front of the bus and wait.

The federal police stand around with guns I guess to deter someone running. But run to where anyway as you are off a motorway in the countryside. Nowhere to go

And two officers will check the top deck, lower deck and I suppose the toilet of the empty bus in case anyone is hiding

And then are allowed to board the bus and go on your way

It was introduced last winter as “temporary” but maybe it will last for years

I’m certainly not saying put this across the border from Newry and actually checks already do exist by Dundalk garda station but not at this level

Ye, off topic sorry, just what other nations do

It is the optics of having checkpoints back on the border that they want to avoid I suppose.

I doubt the UK is too pushed about having refugees enter from the North. After all, if they can't send them to Rwanda, then Ireland is the next best thing.

Did anyone hear the immigration lawyer called Cathal Malone 'interviewed' by Claire Byrne this morning? If you have blood pressure problems, I wouldn't listen back. Cathal is a out & out cheerleader for unfettered migration into the state it would seem. He made it clear that he saw no problem with thousands of people arriving here with no passports or visas or documentation. And that this is our duty as a wealthy state etc. I wonder who pays Cathal's salary & fees?

Is anyone talking about a cap on numbers? What if the number of AS rises exponentially month on month?

Do we take say a limit of 1% of the Nigerian population?