Clean Air/Congestion Charging set to be introduced by 2030

No problem, the state will just pay those charges with the €114 million raised from carbon taxes in 2023 and the estimated €151 million in 2024.

And typical misinformation peddling there, it's not that they are not being used, it's that the rate of increase in use imight be less than the contract called for.

Genius government policy to use taxes to discourage vehicle use when you have signed contracts that put the state on the hook if there is not an increase in vehicle use.

No one subsidises anything to do with transport, it more than pays for itself. It generates value, it's not a net cost burden - duh!

If we were to stop all vehicles from moving for a month, apart from greenies and ER doing little dances of joy until the lights go out and their fridges go silent, and their accommodation starts to get cold. We could measure the change in government revenues,which would be by a staggering amount, I'd imagine.

Economic activity, that is all taxed, is made possible to a huge extent by transport. Claiming transport or private vehicles are 'subsidised' is about the stupidest thing anyone could say. The fact that there are utter morons in the EU commission making similar stupid noises means someone needs to take these people to task. Identify the clowns and make them do a course in economics.

It's not ridiculous when the less well off are priced off the roads, leaving them only for the ones who can afford it.

I said i wouldn't mind if our public transport was up to scratch, but it's not. Increasing taxes on people is not going to save the planet when you've massive countries like China building lots of coal plants, among other things. All the Green party is useful for is making people poorer in an already rip-off country.

None 'were deliberate by the Greens'? They've all been delivered during Eamonn Ryan's term as Minister for Transport. Maybe you'd like to ask his FG predecessors why they failed to progress Metrolink during their decade or so in that Department.

I've no idea what bus routes you're referring to, but all the main routes in and out of the city that I see southside (N11, Rathmines, Liberties) will regularly have people standing in rush hour.

Perhaps if the government didn't allow drivers to park regularly on cycle lanes, cyclists would use them?

Great idea on the rewilding though.

The Green Party are one-issue ideologues. Their whole reason for being (in theory anyway) is for implementing measures to save the environment.

Noble in principle but in the real world these ideologies rarely come out well. It's compounded by the fact that the members are supporters are usually either the young and idealistic or the wealthy and insulated - neither of whom are the best judges of how these policies might affect the average worker or less well off.

For these people the theory should be enough because they have no experience of (or have forgotten) the real world negative impacts that these can have. It's why there's so much resistance to it and dislike of individuals like Eamon Ryan who come across as completely detached from reality. It's not helped by individuals like him, Catherine Martin, Roderic O'Gorman and so on being completely out of their depth when given a bit of authority with all the negative fallout we've seen even in the past year (RTE, immigration, etc).

It's very much like socialism/communism actually. The State knows best and the Party and ideology above all. Instead of Zil lanes we have Cycle lanes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZiL_lane

Well, those ideas haven't worked out particularly well for the people anywhere they've been tried, so it's not surprised that a movement that is operating along much the same lines is equally flawed and resented.

Cycle lanes seem to be working out fairly well all over the world, funnily enough.

All true until it rains, gets windy and generally miserable. Thanks but I prefer to drive my 2.5 ltr in comfort while listening to the radio. When these cyclists eventually get to the job, the smell of BO from them would stifle your nose.

From what I can see in your science, there's more people working from home than there are cycling in every jurisdiction surveyed. Wouldn't it be better then to focus on trying to get more incentives to make it easier to work from home than narrowing roads and piling on extra taxes to accommodate bicycles (that apparently don't need all that extra space as they come along in a nicely spaced out neat little line)?

Why shouldn't folk post here on days they're not working? Last time I checked, this is a social media site. Not everyone has to go to a social outlet outside of here just because a day happens to be a public holiday. If you decided to take a day off from posting, good for you. I presume by the same logic, you won't be posting here tomorrow, right?

Will you still be whinging that others continue to post tomorrow anyway in August?

There's a reason why the other thread is "so bad". Certain posters refuse to read posts directed at them and continually avoid answering questions about costs or anything that does not align with their green religion. The debate is then stifled as we can't compare apples with apples.

Ireland is very windy, consequently, Irish cities have very low levels of pollution. The entire premise of needing a congestion charge to improve air quality is false.

Right now, out of 375 cities in the EU, Dublin ranks 25th for air pollution, so the level of pollution is incredibly low comparatively.

And it would be even lower if it weren't for the deliberate Green party innitiative of favouring diesel over petrol. It's 16 years since that utter twat Gormley introduced a whole raft of measures to finacialy incentivize the Irish poulation into driving diesels. It worked a charm and Ireland has for many years had the highest proportion of diesel passenger vehicles in the EU at 71% of sales currently.

If they had stopped incentivising people to buy diesels over petrol, which they should have done 9 years ago when the scale of their 'green' cluster fu​ck became apparent, Dublin would have even less air pollution than the already extremely low levels. It would have made a vastly greater contribution to lowering pollution levels than any facile and unnecessary congestion charge ever could.

Exaggerate? From someone who has convinced himself the world is going to end!!! If you believe we are in a Climate Emergency, why wouldn't you limit people's access to a hot shower?

Planning corruption has destroyed Dublin's ability to provide a decent public transport infrastructure, pretending planning corruption doesn't impact future planning is infantile.

The cycle lanes look empty because the cycle lanes are empty!!! In the likes of Amsterdam the cycles lanes are busy because people use the cycle lanes.

wait till you hear about raincoats. And showers.

If someone suggested 5 years ago that our Government would declare an emergency and restrict all citizens to a 2km radius of their home, shut all businesses and close schools who would have believed them?

I'd advise you to take some time to listen to the many climate experts who don't believe we are in a climate emergency….because that is what any grown adult should do, consider more than one view!!