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Regulations on keeping cattle

  • 31-03-2024 10:44pm
    #1
    dingledosser
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭dingledosser


    My mother’s neighbour is a bit of a hobby farmer, he has goats, turkeys, pigs… and recently took delivery of 3 cows.

    The setup to keep the cows looks very poor.

    • cheap n cheerful electric fence to keep them in
    • A very basic corrugated shed built directly onto the soil - no way for waste management
    • The shed is built right beside my ma’s house. I’ve been told it should be 100m away
    • It’s about 10 meters away from her well and primary water source.
    • The cows are in calf, so come summer time, there’ll be more of them

    She’s hesitant to say anything, but I’m worried from a health and safety perspective.


    Any thoughts? Am I overreacting?

    Post edited by greysides on


Comments

  • #2
    Esther Refined Bassoon
    Posts: 0 ✭✭ Esther Refined Bassoon


    Is there a crush for handling the cows. He obviously has a herd number.



  • #3
    dingledosser
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭dingledosser


    I don’t think there is, to be honest.



  • #4
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,357 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058344405/regulations-on-keeping-cattle

    The hobby farmer must be doing his stuff right if your mother hasn't had an issue with the goats & turkeys escaping into her garden in the past let alone the pigs rooting up the boundary.

    Anyone keeping livestock, bloodstock and poultry in Ireland have to be registered with DAFM.

    IMO - another TROLL post.



  • #5
    dingledosser
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭dingledosser


    Thank you for answering absolutely nothing, Base Price. There have been multiple issues so far, but my question specifically relates to the cows, not the other animals.

    Troll post? To what end is this a troll post? Or is that your default response when you don’t know how to answer something?

    Post edited by dingledosser on


  • #6
    RockOrBog
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭RockOrBog


    Cows are great animals, wait until you see young calves galivanting around the field, it will surely cheer you up.



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  • #7
    green daries
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭green daries


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121961078#Comment_121961078

    Sure if your worried talk to him if there's issues report him if you don't want to report him solicitors letter,council and dafm as well the issues couldn't be that bad if ye haven't had a dispute about other about animals yet .....I wouldn't knock base for her comments you sound fishy and vague on the details 🤔...she has a good sense for a dodgy post ....from what I've seen on here. Flesh our your story and then we'll see how we can make comment



  • #8
    green daries
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭green daries


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121961609#Comment_121961609

    Cows 🐄 are not my favourite animal here today....... and Cows are all I have🤔🤪



  • #9
    dingledosser
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭dingledosser


    I’ve nothing against cows, they’re lovely animals. I just want to be sure everything is above board and being done correctly. That’s a good outcome for everyone, animals included.



  • #10
    dingledosser
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭dingledosser


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121961633#Comment_121961633

    I hope she’s kinder to her animals than she is to guests.

    I’ll be going to the council if I need to, but planning to talk to the guy first. We get on well, so I’d rather sort it amicably. I just wanted to get some views on whether the current setup is the correct one. I’ve since learned (from another farmer who went up to take a look) that it’s definitely not suitable.



  • #11
    roosterman71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,722 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Depends on what's suitable. For example, it's heading to summer time now and they won't need shelter unless the weather goes to total shite (but I'm a positive hoor so don't think it will). Was the shed there always or just newly put up? The 100m rule might not apply if it's not a permanent structure. There's no rules around fence quality as long as it's stock proof.

    Besides all this, it's hard to guage the rights and wrongs going by descriptions and not photos



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  • #12
    dingledosser
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭dingledosser


    Thank you, that’s helpful. Temp structures are exempt from PP, subject to certain criteria, and one of those is the 100m rule. That much I’m clear about.

    I can’t get clear info on slatted sheds, other than they are a requirement for waste management. I don’t know whether you’re exempt from needing one under a certain number of animals though.

    This shed is about 12m from my mother’s well and primary water source, so I want to be sure the waste management is done correctly. The regulation says it should be 50m from a well, so I can’t see how he can continue.



  • #13
    dingledosser
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭dingledosser


    I should add… the guy owns about 20 acres, most of which is nowhere near any dwelling, so he has options to move it.



  • #14
    green daries
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭green daries


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121962228#Comment_121962228

    💯correct



  • #15
    893bet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,165 ✭✭✭893bet


    Are the cattle in the field? If so there is no waste to be managed as they are out side. No potential health issue or risk to your mothers well.

    Shed provided for some shelter in poor weather I assume.



  • #16
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,854 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    I'd be very slow to report anyone to anyone unless things were really bad.



  • #17
    148multi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭148multi


    where does it say slatted sheds are a requirement for waste management



  • #18
    Packrat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Packrat


    The reality is that the man couldn't buy the cows at all in the first place without a herd number.

    To get a herd number, - unless historically he has one or inherited, he'd have to prove that handling facilities, sick animal/winter housing (no requirement for slats) and stockproof fencing are in place.

    The District Vetinerary Office (who regulate all this) can be right sticklers on some or all of these requirements.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • #19
    cosatron
    Registered Users Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭cosatron


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121962271#Comment_121962271

    no requirement to build a slatted shed. he can outwinter his stock if he chooses.



  • #20
    Stephenc66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Stephenc66


    OP if you are concerned about contamination in the well then have the water tested. Its good practice to have the well tested periodically in any event.



  • #21
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121968125#Comment_121968125

    I don't think you need to prove winter facilities for a herd number. Just a crush and some form of isolation box or shed. Not everyone will overwinter animals. Buy in Spring and sell at the tail end.

    Floors of sheds are supposed to be concreted for loose housing. I can't remember whether that is a legal requirement, a departmental requirement or Bord Bia. Obviously if it is the latter, it won't apply to everyone.



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  • #22
    tabby aspreme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Do the cattle have ear tags, if so they are owned by someone with a herd number



  • #23
    dingledosser
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭dingledosser


    quick update…

    The cows are gone! Not quite sure how it happened, but they were removed from the field yesterday. I’ll be up there later, will try to find out what happened.



  • #24
    tractorporn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121972877#Comment_121972877

    My guess is the farmer took in the cows on a short term grazing agreement from a neighbour to graze his land. Grass is tight this spring and people are making use of grass wherever it may be found.



  • #25
    Stephenc66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Stephenc66


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121972877#Comment_121972877

    He may have moved them out to grazing on the 20 acres you say he has elsewhere.



  • #26
    dingledosser
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭dingledosser


    No, they are gone completely. Still not entirely sure what happened, but the rumour around town is they weren’t registered because they had no ear tags. Shed was taken down this morning too. Scandal in the parish!



  • #27
    roosterman71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,722 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    This thread is crazy!



  • #28
    Lime Tree Farm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121977005#Comment_121977005

    You'd wonder at the mentality and why they even bother. Get a life comes to mind.



  • #29
    greysides
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Mod: The problem is over, and so is this thread.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



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