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  • I know there’s stuff being done quite frequently on Boards software, it goes a bit crazy when there’s updates, enough to prove Vanilla doesn’t lend itself well to the job making it very frustrating for all. There’s hard-working dedicated mods who seem to have enormous patience for the deficits, I know I’d throw in the towel… I actually did ahead of it all.





  • sometimes you see very alike posting styles criticising other posters for being victims, needy, pathetic blah blah blah, amazing similar use of language.

    I agree that there are needlessly needy personalities on Boards, but to say people giving critique, in the hope that the site might be improved for all, are all pathetic needy people is one form of insidious trolling, actually one that I didn’t tolerate well as a mod, and one or two people who are friends of a former mod still give me stick over it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,022 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yes, it's an unpleasant characteristic of some. But I suppose as with other disrupters, best ignored.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,892 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    The world-wide move to mobile devices is a far bigger issue that any moderation, IMHO.

    Posting anything substantial from a mobile-device "keyboard" is just hard work. I cannot be ar$ed, for the most part. So any post beyond a couple of lines (eg this one) has to wait til I'm on machine with a real keyboard. And I know from my work that the number of households with a desktop or laptop has shrunk massively: most non-techy people now have a tablet at most.

    So posts tend to be short, and miss out nuances.

    That and AI: many people have suspicions, but no one really knows what posts are made by humans and what ones are made by bots. There are lots of threads that I would not waste time on any more, just 'cos I think they're suspect.





  • I ignore 99.99% of the time, but when it comes to such a thread like this and they come on here with “other posters are pathetic Schtick” that is seen in their other posting, where I have not commented so as not to derail thread & get warned etc, I take the rare opportunity for legitimately pointing it out. 😀



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  • Very true. I use my mobile device for most things. I have eyesight issues due to MS so focussing on a large screen takes a lot of energy and concentration for me. I use my desktop nearly entirely for hobby coding & gaming, dark web exploration & techy stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,643 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I would safely say 90% of users have never had any interaction with mods. There's a whole world out there besides CA, After Hours, and Soccer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I don't think there is any rule where you can't post anecdotes on the site?

    The two threads you highlighted had mod instructions applied to them that anecdotes were no longer welcomed.

    I'm obviously not a mod I just gave my own opinion and tried to explain my reason as to why I think they don't add to discussion in them specific threads you highlighted.





  • I think you’ve misunderstood me. I am not blind to the re reging that goes on. I am saying it’s illogical because it just gets you in more trouble when you’re caught.

    I can think of a few examples of exactly that happening in recent weeks.
    I don’t think Beasty ever said it’s fair or logical for a poster to re reg in order to circumvent a threadban though.





  • tbf Beasty implied for personal type reasons other than circumventing it is ok to cease one account where you haven’t been banned, or to post temporarily in personal issues for privacy & safety reasons, alongside your usual posting.

    But there is presently no way any senior mods can know for certain about rereg accounts. There would need to be a more complicated and secure encrypted registration process to make it a bit more difficult, but I can immediately think of potential bot ways around this too. But pure ordinary trollers would find it a tad more wearisome and Boards would find it a tad more expensive



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,815 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    I believe in being as transparent as possible and see no issue in letting you know that the discussion was moved here because I saw it in AH, suggested that it was better suited to Feedback, and so it was moved here by an AH mod.

    A few hours later, I asked in a roundabout way that it be left open because I value good feedback and I see this as an opportunity for our users to offer their answers to the question asked in the OP. I see some good answers coming in as a result of it being here and believe that having it here is better than having it in AH.

    At the moment, it’s the #1 trending discussion on the site so it was and continues to be a worthwhile opportunity for everyone to have their say on an important issue. As long as your post doesn’t break any site rules or the forum charter, feel free to share your thoughts. It’s certainly given us a few things to chew on so far.

    Thanks.

    -Shield



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    trying to find where you last posted on here is a fcukin nightmare. I’ll be on here tomorrow and I won’t have a clue where to go looking for where I was.
    it has something to do with them fcukin stars but it’s too complicated for me to learn.
    the old set up was far more user friendly. Hit last post and away you went.
    I still use it but I don’t post as much because my posts are gone tomorrow like a fart in the wind and I haven’t a fcukin clue where to go looking for them.
    most thanked post of the day and being able to see thanks was also brilliant. Also now gone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    unless someone quotes you in a post now and you get a red jingle bell notification you may aswell just be talking to yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,133 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭bartkingcole


    Three points:

    • this site was great for mental health during COVID.
    • Re registrations are not always mischievous.
    • Sometimes rational posters have irrational weak spots on certain topics (I know mine).



  • Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭REDBULL68


    Love this site ,yer may get the odd warning but it's great for getting the latest news ,even before the news agencies, also for car etc probs that wouldn't even be on YouTube, we need the gunter solutions, don't slag it ,you'll miss it if it goes .





  • I can’t imagine there’s a large number of posters re reg’ing going to that much effort to avoid detection. Besides that vanilla does have bot and spam filters. It’s not like you can just slap a VPN on and no one will notice if you link to other accounts.

    The admins are more careful about site banning suspect accounts only because there’s no easy way to appeal it in the case of a genuine mix up which does happen. One of the major problems with this platform is the lack of some way to discuss a site ban after the fact like before.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭supermans ghost


    I would echo that sentiment about certain mods, it is quite obvious.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,329 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Is it possible that boards.ie served a purpose at a time when it was needed, but the purpose is now being served elsewhere?

    Ive been around a while (obviously!) even before Twitter and Reddit became as big as they are now and back then there werent' as many outlets for posting online on such a wide variety of topics - it seems sometimes that it's passed.

    Sure, the revamp didn't help and the moderation is questionable sometimes, but even without those issues I sometimes get the feeling that boards has had it's day and interest would still be waning.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,722 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I think the only “issue” with moderation, that I can see, is that some mods are, somewhat, too human in their warnings, and interactions.

    It’s seems like the more “mechanical” the mod is in their “dealings” with low quality posters the less chance there is of an infraction being overturned in DRP.

    A mod who reacts to, really, terrible users’ cock and bull defence “stories”, the made up personal, sob story type, excuses as to why they broke the rules, in a more personal fashion can see their actions reversed or, even, have their own behaviour sent up the line for admin review.

    Meanwhile, the absolute waste of space, with an abysmal site record, is left laughing away thinking ‘I can’t believe they bought that crap I made up’.

    It might be better to advise all mods to be more ‘you have been warned for X, if you wish to dispute it go to Dispute Resolution’ and leave it at that as it seems that when a mod tries to reason, or explain, their action that it leaves too much room for the malefactor to, then, “get off” on a technicality.

    It’s the type of thing that will lose the site moderators as they may not see the point in continuing, if the “higher ups” don’t appear to have their back.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,776 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Posting anecdotes is not something that is stated in the charter as something that is not allowed in CA.

    I got a warning and post removed for saying my mother couldn't get a new dentist when discussing pressure on services in the immigration thread.

    I see several posts about people who lived by DP centres and they never seen issues, or posters who lived or have someone they know living somewhere who have nothing but positive things to say about the places when discussing issues around immigration such as Birmingham and Sweeden, so how would someone know anecdotes are not allowed or is just certain ones are allowed.

    I just went now and checked the first page after the title says read the first page and it has a note about no anecdotes because they are used to rile people or something to that affect.

    Now if my post is riling people up which is ridiculous then remove it, but giving a warning is absolutely childish by the mod in my opinion.

    This looks to be a rule implemented by a mod that is not listed in the charter.

    If I have to read the first page of a thread everytime I post then I'm not going to see that note and I would lose where I last left off on the thread and the site is bad enough as it is.

    This is just one example of where a mod decides something that is not in the charter and unless you read the first page everytime you open the thread which is ridiculous then posters are not aware.

    I did not dispute the warning because I find the mod immature and biased and I had no interest in wasting my time.

    Maybe it's something that can be looked at here as feedback to update the charter so people know the rules of the forum and not having to look out for rules a mod makes up for a thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭skallywag


    Posters who attack others, then will not even have the graciousness to accept they are wrong, when questioned. The 'I am always right' mentality of a 7 year old. They will usually then pull a 'oh, I am being persecuted here again, people following me around attacking me… ' stance when you find a hole in their argument, and point it out. Such people are not able to use a board like this one, and should probably pick up their ball and go home to mummy.

    It's pretty easy to spot such people.

    It's not the mods fault that this site may be dying, it's people like this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,607 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    It's not the mods fault that this site may be dying, it's people like this.

    I'd add an extra layer onto that myself.

    Yes indeed, there are any number of posters who post utterly bad faith arguments in the way that you've described. Their MO is the same all the time - post a load of crap, get proven wrong, and then disappear, or just repeat it over and over anyway, or claim victimhood.

    But again, how mods/admin deal with them, or, in reality, don't deal with them, is absolutely part of the problem. As long as they are careful not to insult other poster, they are allowed to do this over and over and over again, to the point that other posters stop engaging with them, with the thread, with the forum, with the site.

    I would say that in general, Boards is truly awful at identifying which posters are more trouble than they are worth, by which I mean: which posters damage the community more than they contribute to it.





  • There are one or two who have burner phones for other purpose and do go to this kind of trouble, it’s not trouble to them because they are using burner phones for other reasons anyway. Those kinds can wreak havoc on the site because they are unpleasant individuals to begin with and enjoy the power they wield over the site.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭notAMember


    It's the crap user interface, plus inconsistent modding. I use another board for a specialised interest field, which is really well moderated, it's a joy to use. There's no favouritism, trolls are not tolerated, very pleasant environment, and the interface itself is a lot easier.

    In contast, this one is crashy, slow to load, really annoying blinking ads. you type a message and it bombs out. Finding your threads or posts is not intuitive. Trending posts isn't on the front page when you log in, is a pain. It's like a relic of bad design. And the mods are not trained / all behave like their section has different rules to the other sections.

    Maybe there is a way to set it up to work, but I have not invested the time to find it, and it's not obvious. Bookmarking discussions seems to do nothing. Only stay around because of the very specific regionality.



  • Administrators Posts: 13,975 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I completely agree with the last few posts. It is a huge site, with a huge user base. There are 1000s of good posters who never cause an issue. These posters are capable of disagreeing or debating a point without resorting to childish insults. However, there is a sizeable minority who can't seem to post without taking digs or (possibly) thinking they're hilarious in their insults.

    The moderators do what they can with these types of posters but honestly sometimes it IS easier to let things go, especially if a thread has moved on by the time you see the post. Applying a warning automatically invites a PM response from an "outraged" user. But I absolutely agree that short to the point warnings should be used "Uncivil" "personal abuse" etc. and little or no discussion after that.

    It might increase the number of DRPs but if it's a clear cut case of "uncivil" etc then there's no dispute!

    I would be in favour of a zero tolerance policy for a while on those types of posters. 1 point warning upped to 2 point warnings for subsequent posts. It wouldn't be long either focussing the minds or actually getting rid of those nuisance posters who ruin healthy discussion.

    I know some people will be appalled at such an idea and shouts of "power hungry" mods would probably reach an all time high, but if it's made known that there's zero tolerance on muppetry and everyone is treated the same then it would (should!) quickly change the tone of Boards.ie.

    No doubt there'll be a slew of replies telling me why this is unfair and will target some and not others etc. But I imagine the silent majority would welcome the measures.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,722 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    There, really, should be stronger sanctions on users who, continually, attack other posters by accusing them of being re-regs, trolls or in some sort of “sponsored” conspiracy for, simply, having a different opinion to the consensus.

    This type of user is a real problem on the site. It should be ok to disagree, without discussion we’re left, only, with an “echo chamber”. Which is what these types seem to want.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    The above would be fine, if it was applied consistently, and equally, but with moderation I often find it's not.

    I guess the best way to put it is, it's like when a bully targets another kid in school, and completely gets away with it, but the kid who stands up to the bully ends up being the one who gets in trouble.

    🤷‍♀️

    Post edited by Ezeoul on


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭Shoog


    There is a lot of butt hurt going on from people who hold extreme outlier views but believe themselves to represent the silent majority. Its always the same individuals claiming persecution. The moderators are fairly representative of the profile of society but to these individuals they seem extreme and biased because the posters own views are so extreme. How do you deal with these types, I really don't know short of simple bans.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,189 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    plus inconsistent modding. I use another board for a specialised interest field, which is really well moderated,

    I'd say a lot of the modding complaints and whinging comes in places like AH and Current Affairs.

    These are not "specialised interest" fields. They are very broad and can be very subjective and thus where people feel their points are being ignored, all the other posters are too left/right wing and the mods don't like my point of view.

    That doesn't happen in more specialised interest froms like DIY, or Broadband etc.



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