Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

Not sure what CPO you reference with 60c + connection, I could easily reference a petrol price of 1.91 but it doesn't make it one the majority will use... Ecars and Easygo are as low as 51c, plenty of chargepoint places are 33c. Once again I reference 181 for petrol and that's going to be going up for the foreseeable future

Likewise the Lidl near me hasn't been busy since they introduced charging fees

Of course depreciation affects all cars and of course a 1k drop per month is auful but that figure is definitely the exception rather than the rule, my car was 3.5yrs old when I bought it and it definitely didn't lose 1k/month, in fact I'd say what I lost in depreciation I gained massively in fuel savings. But even if it did lose that extortionate amount it doesn't matter as I'm not selling it.

On the topic of depreciation though. When the price of diesel and petrol go above €2 again and the price of electricity continues to come down, meanwhile we move generally towards outlawing the internal combustion engine, what do you think will happen to the resale values of petrol and diesel powered cars?

Thanks for the W. 😁

But I just want to remind you that the initial criteria (that you set - old age is a curse isn't it?) was 20k and more than 100km range. My work is done.

Yes yes, I admit my defeat here, however, the NCAP results haven't been released for the new model that I can see but if you have them then please share.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. You set the criteria and I found the car that matched them. That you said didn't exist. So take the L my man and sit down.

I'm referencing easygo which seems to be the largest cpo in Ireland that has private chargers - a quick scout around the app seems to suggest that 60c/kwh is their standard rate but I'll accept that it could be lower generally, and individually often is. You do accept that you were wrong to state that most employers offer work charging I hope? They clearly don't.

You're right though, the 5k loss over six months is the exception. When I was buying last year I went private and was able to push the seller really hard and got one of the keenest priced ID4s on the day I bought it. Dealers were looking, and getting (as this was before the scare story onslaught) between 5 and 8k more than I paid (I looked at two: best priced 38 and 40, and gone within a week). Today, those buyers are looking at a 10-12k loss over the same period, and God knows what they'd get in a trade if it would even be taken at all.

These are problems that cannot and shouldn't be glossed over. I really like my car and I think the scare stories are overblown BUT the inability of some owners to be honest about the limitations of them and how they need a different mindset to successfully operate is an actual issue. Most of the "horror stories" around EV ownership really have centred around missed expectations - with the prime culprit wltp range being nowhere near reality and overselling generally. Ultimately, the lack of honesty has come back to bite the market and has really hurt confidence in EVs here - as told by stagnant market share in the face of collapsing prices.

From what i can see people are so used to the service costs/repairs on combustion cars they totally ignore that when buying a car or looking at a EV.

They focus on a potentially high cost of a repair on a electric car but very low chance of that happening.

While ignoring that you also have the same with a combustion car and Im sure if someone done the maths the same amount of risk.

So if you compare a standard electric with service costs etc it will be cheaper than combustion. Never mind fuel etc.

Also if you compare a low risk but high cost repair both combustion and electric should come in similar.

The way to combat this is with extended warranty, when I pointed this out previous on this thread I was told you can't get on electric, when in fact you can the same as a combustion.

The most popular complaint about an electric is the car is out of warranty and the part if high cost, again as pointed out on this thread with the increase of electric cars on the road, the chance of getting part from a scrap dealer is higher, similar to what you might consider if doing a high cost repair on a combustion car.

I go to the pump now and 140 into the diesel and it's still not full, that's before the increase in diesel.

I think I pay 0.16c per kWh at night rate. That's probably the highest I have paid for night rate over the years(was lucky with plans I picked). Over 110,000km on car and service costs over that period is probably 500 euro plus additional 300 this year for a new wheel bearing. Previous car I put maybe 50k km's on it. Maybe again 500 euro on service costs

Last year alone the previous diesel I had(traded in this year) I spent circa 3k after air suspension went in car and I stupidly let it run out of extended warranty. The diesel does less than 50% of the yearly mileage we do.

Now Im sure someone could do the maths but to me I have seen a significant saving in having an electric car since 2017. Especially when you consider I was paying less than 10c per kWh for a long time on night rate.

The above doesn't include putting on new tyres onto the cars etc. So far no big cost repairs on either electric car.

Even if I got hit with a big cost repair on the electric I can't see how I would be out of pocket for the amount of mileage I have done.

I don't use public charging, maybe 10-20 times since 2017. Even when it was free I didn't bother.

None of the above is exciting enough for the media to cover. If the car exploded at the side of the road I might get a call 😂

Strangely enough over the years I have seen a number of cars, not many, on fire at the side of road. None so far have been electric.

One over in England many years ago was pulling a caravan and the caravan ended up on fire as well.

The last few times I seen post on social media of cars on fire, of course people saying its electric, the car in fact turned out to be combustion engine

So I refer to my previous comment, the chance of either car going on fire are very very slim but of course could happen and I don't see any higher percentage chance with the electric v the combustion

What car is it

Model 3, the non-long range version

Motors forum is here

Wonder how this will be received? Maybe was the batteries, maybe not

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/large-blaze-damages-building-used-by-e-bike-sharing-company-on-dcu-campus/a1016291826.html

"You can buy a good 2nd hand ICE for a lot less money with a lot more range and can fill up in 3 mins vs 30-50 ( a lot more if they have a queue at the charger) without fears of high mileage issues with batteries that will cost a fortune to repair, these are genuine concerns whether you choose to ignore them or not."

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You seem to be unaware of clocked cars.

You sit on electric car threads and every thread with nothing to do with electric cars slagging them off and then try to say you have bought 3. Most recently telling everyone on the ID.4 thread how horrible the interior was compared to a Mazda.

Something is not really adding up.

Kildare to Belfast is 220km on the motorway. If I were driving that, I'd be averaging well above 56km/h. I could hypermile the ID4 if I wanted to but I don't have the time or patience for that silliness.

My regular long journey of 260kms consumes 73-77% of battery 60% N, 40% M gives a real 100% range of 350km for my driving style. I'm not an aggressive driver but I like to make progress and I drive at the posted limit where it is safe to do so. I've actually modified my route to ensure I'm on the most efficient one. The roads I'd have taken in the diesel while longer, were both faster and better quality and I was only scraping home with 7% which is too close for the comfort of my travelling companions.

Owning an EV can require a fair bit of mental effort when it comes to doing long journeys. I love the tech and the quietness so I personally don't mind but that's definitely not true of everyone. Some people do not want to do that, others think that if they've spent €XXk on a car that they shouldn't need to do that - as a car is ultimately about convenience.