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Smoked-in Car Purchase: Return Possible?

  • 31-03-2024 10:02pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭


    Hi guys,
    I typically abstain from posting, but I recently acquired a 2022 SUV for 43k. It's a significant amount of money, and I purchased it from a reputable dealership. I'm fully aware of the warranty and quality associated with this car/brand, but my sole inquiry to the salesman was whether the car had been owned by a smoker, to which he firmly responded "NO."

    The car emitted a potent smell of car cleaning product; my wife even inquired about it, and the salesman reiterated that it wasn't from a smoker.

    One week later, when the car was prepared for collection, I detected the same smell, and the leather seats felt slightly damp from valeting... Nonetheless, I proceeded with the collection and embarked on a short trip from Dublin to Newry. After driving for a few minutes and airing out the car, the pleasant scent began to fade, replaced by a foul odor of smoke, which only intensified over time.

    On the same day, I messaged the salesman to express my dissatisfaction. It was a Friday. On Monday, I visited the dealership, and the post-sales manager offered me an internal valeting, assuring me that they couldn't detect any smoke odor. I attempted various products, but they only masked the smell and didn't address the underlying issue.

    My question is, as a customer, do I have any rights to return the car? The smell is deeply ingrained, and at this point, I wish to exchange it for something else. While the salesman expressed willingness to facilitate an exchange, he informed me that all the cars I inquired about were already sold. What are my options and rights? Any advice? I have no desire to keep the car, even though I understand that detailing and ozone treatments might assist. I aim to exchange it for a non-smoker car.

    Another problem is I gave my car as tradein, so not sure how can I proceed.

    Thanks

    Post edited by trindade on


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't know. You might be on a difficult journey with the dealer. Its not as if there is something wrong with the car. Try and swop, but you will be hand cuffed to that dealer. And that dealer has now sold you the car, so your now a nuisance not a commission to him.

    Apart from cigarette smoke being mangky, it should disappear over time. Get the dealer to clean the car a few times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,796 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I thought the engine was fecked from the title.

    I'd imagine with the full valet, there is very little to worry about.

    Perhaps a new cabin filter and a cleaning of the heater channels via some form of treatment would solve all. Its only been smoked in for a year or 2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭Dirty Nails


    Make sure they do the roof lining. Few valetors ever think of looking up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,497 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    GIve the car a good cleaning yourself, it's so crazy it just might work. Jeez, some fellas haven't much to worry about!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,156 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    I got a smokers car and along with having to clean the headliner I also had to take the back seats out and clean them. Every service needed to be cleaned from the windows to the dash, parcel shelf and door cards. The car stank when I got it, after a deep clean of everything it didn't.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Change the cabin filter,get a proper in depth interior detail done with an ozone treatment not just a valet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭goochy


    Leave windows open for a day



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Lol, the fella dropped 43k and now has a car that smells like a dogs arse. Solutions might be helpful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭trindade


    Thanks, did you buy a machine yourself or did you hire a company? Any recommendations?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,497 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Lol, you missed the bit about "give the car a good cleaning yourself " ! A bit of elbow grease works way better than as the guy said " looking for a way to return the car".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭trindade


    Already tried… The smell of products vanished and the cigarette odor became even stronger. 🤣



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fresh air does not get rid of the smell of fags.

    Either you clean it really well as posted above or dealer does it. It will go away, eventually, but if it annoys you (it would annoy me) clean and clean some more.

    You must be an ex smoker! Ex smokers are the most sensitive to the smell and get most annoyed by it. I can't stand the smell of them anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭rdhma


    • Since the salesman stated the car was not owned by a smoker, the condition of the goods was misrepresented.
      Sale of goods act 1980:
      "The buyer, promptly upon discovering the breach, makes a request to the seller that he either remedy the breach or replace any goods which are not in conformity with the condition.
      If the seller refuses to comply with the request or fails to do so within a reasonable time, the buyer is entitled:
      (i) to reject the goods and repudiate the contract, or
      (ii) to have the defect constituting the breach remedied elsewhere and to maintain an action against the seller for the cost thereby incurred by him."

      First step: Send a registered letter to the dealer informing them that:
      1. The goods were misrepresented. Use that specific term, which is in the legislation.
      2. You expect a repair (ozone treatment, costs about €100, may work)
      3. If that is unsuccessful, you expect a refund or a replacement vehicle.

      Keep all receipts related to expenses incurred.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I would be quite annoyed too. Tobacco smoke gets deeply ingrained into every fabric in the car and while it can be masked by other smells, it takes months to degrade. I have walked away from cars that were owned by smokers because the stale smell churns my stomach. The worst experience was when viewing a Mitsubishi GTO it had a strong smell of weed in it. No thanks.

    OP, it socks that the salesman was a lying shìt, but try the ozone and have them pay.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    Yes, return it - and I say that as a smoker!

    I doubt you will ever see the car in the same light. €43k is a lot for dissatisfaction!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 Doonbegman


    As other posters have said above try an ozone generator. Some motor traders who have YouTube channels have highly recommended (without being sponsored by the company apparently) a product called Airvidox for cars with strong smells. It only costs £22.45 including shipping with a fragrance-you will probably will have to pay a customs charge though.

    The website is www.airvidox.com and can also be ordered though Amazon and the reviews seem pretty good. If you get it could you come back and let us know if it works.

    As an ex car salesman and a non smoker I can totally understand why someone would not want an ex smokers car and have lost deals over it on cars costing a lot less than what the OP paid. Dog smells are another turn off for customers for both cars and houses-and I love dogs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Might not have been owned by a smoker, could have been the owners partner that smoked in it, technically the salesman might not have lied at all.

    I do not understand the fixation, a friend of mine freaked out when he figured out that a car he bought had belonged to a smoker, he removed and power washed the carpets, dismantled the entire interior, cleaned everything including the headlining, bought an ozone generator which he left running in it for weeks and still ended up selling the car, I could not smell anything, yet he hated the car because of it, some people seem to be more sensitive than others to it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 Doonbegman


    The issue is that once you think there is a smell in the car -even if there originally wasn’t or using cleaning/ozone generator/Airvidox and it genuinely gets rid of the smell, in your own mind the smell is still there and there is nothing you or anyone else can do or say to change your mind about this. As another poster said-“I doubt you will see the car in the same light” and that is totally true and the OP has to satisfy themselves (and most importantly their other half) that the smell can be eliminated -otherwise they will be reminded of this every time they sit in the car until they sell it. If they think that the smell can’t ever be eliminated then they are best to make every effort to exchange the car for something else whilst they (might) have the chance with their dealer.

    Post edited by Doonbegman on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭Bazzy


    Our Neighbour had the same problem as you.

    He went back to the dealership and was firm but fair with them and they refunded him.

    I wouldn't expect to pay 40,000 euro plus for a car and then have to start cleaning bits of it and swapping out filters etc. Its 40k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,631 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Ozone treatment works wonders used it myself did it twice to be certain..Get the dealer to do it and change the filter



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,127 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    Go to a proper 'showroom valeting' place yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭kyote00


    and ChatGPT won’t represent you in court



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭User1998


    Its a 2 year old car, the smell will come out

    Just get the dealer to pay for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭Rusky rusky


    Febreze, carpet cleaner and baking soda in cups gets rid of smell. I once owed a Xsara Picasso bought from a chainsmoker owner of 10 years and after a week of cleaning and leaving baking soda around the car the smell has gone. Check the ash tray if it’s still installed:)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Given the OP specifically asked about smoking, the salesperson of this "reputable" dealership, obviously lied. I'd be worried what else they lied about.

    I wonder why the car dealership didn't use an ozone treatment on it themselves before passing the car onto the new buyer. It sounds like they were aware of the odour and trying to mask it with cleaning products.

    If I had just dropped that kind of money on a car, I wouldn't be happy to have to bring it home and have to start scrubbing it myself.

    OP, I hope you get it sorted to your satisfaction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,977 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    I had a problem with and odor in my car after a soup spill a few years ago, I cleaned it 10 times and still couldnt get the awful smell out of it.

    went to my local car valeter who sold me an odor bomb, pina colada flavor, 25 euro, it did a great job, smell gone, never to return.

    like the link below

    https://www.autozone.com/interior-detailing-and-car-care-products/air-freshener/p/armor-all-freshfx-smoke-x-odor-eliminator-fogger-2oz/915810_0_0



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Ya don't want to be going all legal straight away unless you're adamant about an exchange

    Ya might want them later for more important warranty work . It makes communication difficult after that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Dealers don't allow valetors to properly clean a car with time restrictions. It's very much get it done and out the gate as quick as possible. I'd take the car to a proper detailer and get the dealer to pay the bill



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭rdhma




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Apologies I mistook as solicitor letter

    Anyway no need for drama just call and talk it over

    Youre putting up barriers sending registered letters straight off the bat. It's better to keep a good working relationship if possible



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Luna84
    Mentally Insane User


    I bought a car off a very heavy smoker years ago. Mind you it was a bangernomics so less then a grand. It stank really bad but I lived with it. Also like my car yours would be the same the smoker obviously never opened a window when they were smoking. Makes a massive difference even opening the window a tiny bit when you are smoking.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Luna84
    Mentally Insane User


    Also that is mad how you and your wife asked was it a smokers car. Not a question I would ask when looking at a car. And turns out it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭trindade


    It's because we hate the smell and the amount of products/smell of cleaning products was strong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,546 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    just keep in mind if the car was bought in Newry, UK legislation applies. Not saying you’re wrong in what you’re saying, but the SOGA 1980 has different wording to the equivalent UK act.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭_H80_GHT


    I've never seen anyone smoke a full cigarette inside a car without cracking the window. Is it even possible?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I smoked in my cars up until I gave up a decade ago. Despite having the window cracked, all of my cars stank from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Did the dealer admit it was a smokers car? You stated they said they couldn't detect any odour.

    Any chance you're both so fixated with not having a 'smokers' car you're inventing the smell yourselves? It's 2 years old and an SUV, a family car, so the chances of it being so ingrained with cigarette smoke seems pretty slim to me.

    A new car can have a different smell to your previous one, maybe it's just a case of acclimatising to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭trindade




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭Norrie Rugger Head


    They're eating the DOGS!!!

    Donald Trump 2024



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,108 ✭✭✭micks_address


    It was posted already but I'd give an Ozone machine a go. We had a similar issue with a second hand car recently

    I bought this machine from Amazon and ran it a few times. Have a look at ozone videos on youtube. It does work. Also as others said - replacing the cabin/pollen filter will also help. Ozone is dangerous so keep that in mind when using the machine. You leave it in the car while its running and ventilate after. You can pay to get it done as well. I ran a few times in the car, 15 minute cycles and it worked well. I noticed the smell is still in the boot! So i need to run it with the seats down again. When running leave the car on with the air con on internal air circulation and it helps kill anything in the air con system.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0B3XDCQJS/ref%3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭djan


    Some great suggestions from people on a DIY approach. This would be fine if buying private but I would not accept this from a dealer purchase, especially given the high value of car. Cigarette smoke is notoriously difficult to get out of fabric materials fully and to do it properly requires seats being taken out, and all liners deep cleaned and steamed followed by a few ozone runs. This may still not get rid of it completely as realistically its impossible to clean everything and given materials moving/contracting due to temperature, they may release further odours. This obviously comes at a substantial price that the buyer should not fund.

    If dealer is not willing to return money, I'd give him the chance to sort out the problem and then go the legal route etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    Taking the seats out is a bit extreme and unnecessary in my view! I bought a 2 year old car from a dealership back in 2014 and it had been heavily smoked in by the previous owner. A good valet, wet vac and some cleaning products and it was almost gone. I then went and bought an Auto Glym Odour Eliminator product from Halfords and after 2 applications (seats, carpets, seat belts, boot floor and headliner) there was no detectable cigarette smell from the car at all.

    As for the OP: Definitely keep on the right side of the dealership. They can try another round of cleaning and then the Ozone treatment and hopefully that will do the trick. If not, give Auto Glym product I used (above) a try. It is a spray and leave type and does not need to be wiped away. An Air Con "bomb" may also be in order to get the smell out of the air vents and HVAC system in the car. Definitely get the cabin pollen filter changed out as this will hold on to the smell also.

    Best of luck, I too hate the smell of cigarettes in a car. It is detestable!

    Post edited by Miscreant on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Leaving aside all the ways of resolving this

    Ive never given any consideration to this issue in all my years buying cars

    And ive never noticed any smoke smell



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    Nothing really to add other than my disgust at the thought of it.

    One thing I (and I think many people) love about a new car is the newness and that "new car smell". Which I would certainly expect even from a used car from a dealership. The constant odour of a past driver's smoking would irritate me beyond belief!!

    As already mentioned, the dealer lied to you. There goes the trust. I wouldn't be able to enjoy my new car under these conditions.

    Personally I would send an email outlining my position. I would request to send the car back and ask for a complete revamp of the interior or failing that a different car at no extra cost.

    If I didn't get satisfaction from that. I would then speak to a solicitor.

    Maybe also mention that you have been asking for advice on a popular public forum where several people are asking for the name of the dealership.

    Disclaimer: you will not actually be permitted to publicly name and shame the company here; but it might light a fire under the dealer. So to speak.

    Best of luck.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The legal route?

    I’ve never been asked by a dealer if I smoked when trading a car in, so I’m not sure how any dealer can be expected to give a legally binding declaration on the previous owner’s social habits. As another poster pointed out, the owner may not have been a smoker, but the dealer can’t be expected to vouch for anyone else who travelled in the car.

    It’s also possible that the previous owner cleaned the car thoroughly and hung an air freshener when handing it in, if the op couldn’t smell it when they viewed it, particularly given their keen sense of smell and sensitivity to all things smoky, then I’m not sure you could legally prove that the dealership could know.

    I think asking for your money back is unrealistic, just get the car valeted and let the car air out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭djan


    Absolutely agree, given the sums of money involved there is even more expectation that things will be as described.

    Regarding your disclaimer, surely it is not slander if someone posts exactly what happened?

    Yes if it comes to it, the legal route as the car they have now received is devalued and needs money spent to get it right. Be respectful but firm and more than likely they'll return the car as it won't cost them much if any money to retail again.

    The dealer may not ask it but it there is a smell in a car it will lower its value regardless if its smoke or mould.

    I don't think people realise that some are more sensitive to certain odours than others. To those it is extremely difficult to remove smoke odour, especially from fabrics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    The problem with posters throwing out the legal route is its bad advice if buyer has no legal recourse in this instance

    Buyer is then on a bad footing going forward for all subsequent warranty issues



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Good God, will a dealer know if a milkshake was ever spilled in a car, or a petrol can leaked in the boot, or a mower was carried in an SUV? The op no doubt test drove the car, but obviously didn’t smell it, and having it cleaned to get a car the way you want it isn’t something a court is likely to be concerned with. As this isn’t a small claim, the op would have to get expert witnesses and it could take a considerable amount to time and money to come to progress to a hearing, by which time the smell could be long gone or the op will have sold the car.

    djan, when you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,497 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Most sensible post so far + if I was spending 43k on a car I'd be buying a new one



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