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Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭F00t13f4n


    Polestar 2, Volvo C40 & XC40, Mercedes EVs, Renault Megane, BMW iX3 from the research I did before buying my own car. Many others too, I'm sure.

    There was a user here before named "Mad Lad" who was an OG in the EV forum, but I see you registered your user in March this year. Are you the same user re-regging, or is that a coincidence? Most of your posts seem to be based on 2015 - 2018 EV design, availability and infrastructure. It would definitely be worth catching up on what's changed since then…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    It's clear it's not the same person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Lol you come on here every day trying to tell the rest of us the electric cars are the ideal ICE replacement ! lol

    Yeah, id3 interior is ****, isn't just me saying it.

    clocked cars, the people buying clocked cars are the ones who do not know how to do their research on a car, you think electric cars can't be clocked ?

    You think people shouldn't be concerned about the battery when buying a 2nd hand car which will no doubt have some degradation, so they'll be paying for a car with much less range when new, this doesn't happen and ICE, oh sure, if you want to nit pick you can say an ICE looses some efficiency with high mileage but nothing compared to EV.

    As I keep saying, electric cars are good 2nd cars for people that have a ICE backup that can go wherever they want without restrictions, this is what people want, the rest are either enthusiasts and will put up with the disadvantages or People who don't do a lot of high mileage.

    Yes, my 3rd EV and I think I'm entitled to an opinion about them at this stage.

    It's a pity more manufacturers didn't made cars like the BMW i3 where the ICE is a backup only and doesn't connect to the wheels this would have been amazing and would eliminate the need for a charging network or hanging around chargers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    I think the problem is not so much the EV cars themselves, which are mostly fine.

    The problem is the infrastructure for EV cars. Its years behind where it needs to be. One example is the myriad of apps needed to charge your car on public chargers. Why on earth should you need an app, photos of yourself, your passport, utility bill, and so on, just to charge your car! And that's just one app. And if you turn up in a town or place you haven't been to before you have to research what apps you need! There's no ionity chargers in the entirety of connacht, the northwest and most of munster.

    Then there's the up front cost of buying a home charger. And the fact public charging prices have increased. All genuine concerns for the majority of people which are unfortunately dismissed by early adapters.

    As it stands, EVs are just not as convenient as ICE cars unfortunately, which is a shame and is going to take years of effort to put right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    The Rex was a marvellous piece of engineering and a shame more manufacturers didn't apply the same, would have meant no dependency on a charging network. It was a take anywhere car 140-180 Kms range on EV and the Rex would take over when needed, I could turn the Rex on once the charge reached 70% on the Motorway and use battery on slower roads or in town.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,117 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    With an average speed of 56 Km/h you got to be joking ? of course you're get 400 odd Kms at that speed lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad




  • Registered Users Posts: 967 ✭✭✭crl84


    In addition to the ones pointed out by F00t13f4n above, the MG4, MG ZS also have it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 967 ✭✭✭crl84


    That includes plenty of slow city/town driving, hence the "and mostly urban driving". You know how averages work, right? Or is that another thing that has to be explained to you?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 967 ✭✭✭crl84


    It's 183km from where I am, and as pointed out in my post, included urban driving in addition to the roundtrip, which brought the average speed down significantly.

    If I had been talking solely about motorway driving, you might have a point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Lol you're unbelievable, yeah my electric car can do 400 km driving around town, try to convince an ICE driver how wonderful your EV is and they'll laugh their heads off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Yeah well said but seems there's a lot of pro liberal earth soldiers here in the EV section now that will tell you EV is going to save the earth, that the tech is good enough to replace ICE and all that which is BS, I'd say the majority of EV owners have an ICE at home and yes, the EV is a good 2nd car, it's probably perfect to replace the 2nd car actually but that's about it.

    Perhaps if solid state batteries become a reality in the next decade or so then maybe but this is not going to be cheap.

    No point in the E.U banning ICE sales until the tech is as good, it won't happen.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 663 CMod ✭✭✭✭LIGHTNING


    @Mad_Lad don't post in this thread again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I didn't say electric cards are the ideal ICE replacement.

    As I explained on the threads I have a lovely big diesel.

    So the first post of thread is nonsense, the rest is the standard noise you post on every thread, even if the thread has nothing to do with electric cars, e.g. HVO thread



  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭Gerrymandering reborn


    I think anyone who wanted an EV, has purchased one i.e the early adopters - those who can't live without the latest iPhone. I think EV a great in certain situations i.e much better to drive an EV in town rather than a X5 PHEV

    However, I think it is increasingly becoming clear that they are not the ONLY solution to greener transport in the future and people need to learn to accept that. EV are part of the jigsaw, not the entire jigsaw. There are still fundamental issues with EVs that have not been addressed. That's not to say they don't have advantages, they do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    What are these unaddressed fundamental issues?



  • Registered Users Posts: 967 ✭✭✭crl84


    It included a few hundred km of motorway driving. Not sure how you're having so much difficulty comprehending this. Although given your posts in various threads over the last 3 weeks, it's not that surprising.

    And I'm not trying to convince any ICE driver of anything. Just pointing out the idea that a 64kwh battery can't do 400km in mixed driving conditions is pure nonsense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 967 ✭✭✭crl84


    Well that first line is certainly nonsense. There are loads of people who would love to get an EV, but can't afford a new one, and there has been a trickle of EVs into the second hand market. Those that are in the second hand market at reasonable prices are a very small number of models.

    It'll be another couple of years before the second hand market starts to get a decent amount of the many new EV models that have launched in the last 4 years, and people who can't afford to buy new are able to purchase one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    If it included a few hundred km of motorway driving, say 200kms at 112 KMPH then you also did 200kms at ZERO KMPH to get 56 kmph as an average speed over 400kms

    How do you travel 200kms at zero KMPH?

    That 400kms did not include motorway speeds for very long at all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Don't the new software versions of ID.* have it too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It'll be another couple of years before the second hand market starts to get a decent amount of the many new EV models that have launched in the last 4 years, and people who can't afford to buy new are able to purchase one.

    I think there's also an element of our govt not wanting the takeup of EVs to happen too fast with the idea that gradual takeup would be better for the national electricity grid. Maybe a bit conspiracy theory but was 2023 the correct time to reduce the grants to the public?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,554 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    There's something not adding up here so. If you drove the return journey at 100kmh, based on the time on the dash you averaged just 12.6kmh for the remaining 48kms of urban driving which took almost 4 hours! Traffic is bad in Belfast, but not that bad.

    To get that kind of range out of that car in the current weather and ambient temperatures requires a very light foot. That's the context. I'd wonder if you drove any of it at 120kmh at all? My guess is you took R roads and joined the motorway north of Drogheda and then took it very easy, instead of the better road M4-M50-M1. This is exactly what I was talking about, choosing the byway instead of the highway for range. ABRP says you need 57% for your one way journey BTW.

    It's extremely important to be honest about these things because what has happened is people have heard these no context stories by lads hypermiling and believe that they too can drive 440km without stopping. They buy and then set out on their road trip from Dublin to Killarney only to find that no, the car can't do that journey without stopping. The disappointment and the angry stories about the cars "not worth a shite" follow. And that gets traction.

    A normal driver in the MG LR will do that journey from Enfield to Belfast return but they'll need to go cross country to join the M1 north of drogheda stop at the M1 services north of castlebellingham to add 20% on the way home.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,563 ✭✭✭eagerv


    I remember my previous ID.3 sometimes gave very inaccurate low average speeds on trips, it used to assume the car was driving even when stopped eating that juicy MaccyD, providing the car was powered up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭Gerrymandering reborn


    I checked donedeal and there are over 500 Evs for sale under 20k from year 18 upwards - so I wouldn't call that a trickle/small number of models to be fair.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars?fuelType=Electric&year_from=2018&year_to=2023&price_to=20000



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Just to nail my colours to the mast, I'm EV driver bit thats a very important point by @MrMusician18 above not to overstate range.

    I could get 400kms out of my EV before absolutely having to plug in again if I really really really try but I cant go somewhere 200kms away on a motorway and return without charging either of them. They will be out if zip 100kms before I get home at least. Not that charging is difficult, its actually pretty easy to do a small top up.

    Thats a 58kwh Cupra Born which I would do well to get under 20kwh per 100kms on a motorway and an extremely inefficient 95kwh etron which won't see under 30kwh per 100kms



  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭Gerrymandering reborn


    1. Charging is such a huge problem -

    (a) Most people charge their EV's at home because they CAN charge them at home. There are still many people in Ireland who do not have the option of charging at home.

    (b) All the huge saving in the fuel cost that are often advertised are based on home charging prices. It is my knowledge that public charging is multiples more expensive than home (I could be wrong)

    (c ) No matter the technology improvements, the time charging takes is far too long. Unless it matches the time it takes to fill with Diesel, this will be a hindrance for people (especially for the many without home charging). It takes 20-30mins for get 400km of range vs 2-3 minutes to get 1000km range (diesel)

    (d) If the goverment is serious about EV adoption, they should offer a free charger for households whether they purchase a new or second hand EV. Also what happens when the charger needs replacing after years of use (as all chargers do). This isn't a phone charger that can be bought for €20. These are concerns for people who are not the affluent early adopters who can afford to change their car every 3 years

    (e ) Put the costs aside for a minute, how many chargers do we need to satisfy public demand to charging? Would it not be a complete waste of resources to install 10,000s of public EV chargers knowing that they will be a peak time where this amount is in demand, the rest of the time there is little use. A petrol pump with 8 pumps would probably get through about 500 cars a day. How many cars for would charging a charging station of 30 chargers get through the day?

    (f) People tend to forget that we are human and we forget things, What happens if you forget to charge your car and a emergency arises/you need to go to work? I would argue people value their phones way more than their car and they forget to charge them. This problem is solved with a powerbank. What is the solution for an EV?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    To answer and I have a simple mind, charging is not a problem by the way

    (a) A huge number of people can charge from home, a lot less than currently drive EV

    (b) Public charging is more expensive but I refer back to (a) when you shouldn't need public system, especially with the new long range cars. 99% of time people should never need to use public system

    ( c) I have yet to see any diesel give a range of 1000km, anyway I refer to point (b) when you shouldn't need to use public charging the odd time and the overall saving should make it worthwhile, we have to remember people spent thousands swapping diesel for diesel to save a few hundred quid for years now

    (d) the grant for chargers have been available for years, before that a free charger was available and didn't increase the uptake

    (e) In reality we could swap thousands of cars now and not need to increase the charger numbers because most people do short journeys all week and never touch the range of an electric car, then have a full tank each morning

    I know this is not what you want to hear and it's a very simplified view. I have a cousin who drives a toyota for the simple reason once a year they might(not every year) drive to Mayo. Apart from that they have a house with driveway, the ability to add a charger, drive about 40-50km per day max but won't change because of that one trip which they don't do yearly.

    Yet I have family who live in what most peopel would describe as back of beyond and are full electric. Love it and will never change back. Figure that one out



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,554 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I think the latter will be solved eventually by domestic rapid charging via home storage systems, vehicle to vehicle high power transfer leads or possibly even a "jerrycan" pack that plugs into a socket in the boot.



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