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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,742 ✭✭✭zv2


    I'd let the weeds grow over eastern Ukraine and build elsewhere. MOAB Donetsk at some point.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    So when Russia captures a ruined village or town these drones can completely finish off the buildings after the Russians move in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    I see Russia is now saying they are in direct confrontation with NATO. Hilarious really because if they where in direct confrontation they'd be no Russian army left.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,742 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Probably to do with this I imagine? As in NATO essentially funding the UKRAINEs war effort. So yip, Putin right and about time too .. only way to sort a bully is to bully back, dose of own medicine.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,311 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Perhaps therein lies the potential peace plan: Ukraine itself can join NATO, EU maintain a full army all it wants etc. but the 20% lost reverts to Ukraine - but run as some broad DMZ or limited federalised region. As said some of those hamlets are probably beyond reconstruction and given Russia wants (but won't get) a fully demilitarised country this could be the next best thing.

    With a nominal NATO force posted inside Ukraine to make sure Russia don't try yet another YOINK.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,268 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Probably as good a solution as any.

    But I can't see any peace solution being agreed, I don't think either Putin or Zelensky would accept it.

    And destroying part of Ukraine can still be seen as a "victory" for Putin.

    The war will continue as long as Putin is in power.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I think at this point, social and political stability in Ukraine is key. Zelenskyy has been an incredible war time leader… without someone of his calibre at the helm I think Ukraine would have crumbled early doors and a Belarus-style leadership installed. That would have been that. Protests and dissent would have been painted as terrorism and terrorist actions and crushed quickly. There's still a risk of all Ukraine's achievements (if you can call fighting one of the biggest military powers on the planet to a standstill an achievement given the terrible civilian losses suffered by Ukraine) of the past couple of years being lost if Russia manages to meddle in its internal politics and governance.

    Keeping casualties - military and civilian - to an absolute minimum should now be Zelenskyy's goal. No more hopeful counterattacks. Until the West gets off the fence and properly backs Ukraine militarily, it would be a pyrrhic limited-victory at best.

    Instead, solidify defensive lines and make Russia suffer massive losses for every metre they try to take. Keep hitting valuable Russian infrastructure in Russia to bring the war home to them. Keep emasculating Russia's military capabilities through targeted hits - airforce, navy, air defence systems, weapons dumps, tanks… anything expensive which Russia can't afford to replenish.

    And keep picking high profile targets for maximum publicity.

    That way the pressure builds on Putin to reach a 'resolution'. Even if he says, "ok, we've achieved our aims, we've secured a 20% land buffer", that doesn't end the war. The losses will keep mounting on the Russian side through targeted strikes as long as their forces remain on Ukrainian soil. The question then is how long can Russia sustain its economy, how long will the population put up with limbo, and how long will those beneath Putin allow him to remain in place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,810 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Why should Ukraine shoulder the loss of its territory to a DMZ arrangement? Given that the troublemaker in this conflict was Russia, shouldn't it be the Belgorod-Bryansk-Kursk-Voronezh region that's demilitarised?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,311 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    They shouldn't, not at all, but assuming a General Russian retreat isn't likely I was wondering what could amount to the same, while preserving Ukrainian autonomy and sovereignty in the regions taken? Some flim flam to let Moscow claim they've neutered the threat while Ukraine gets on.

    The Russian invasion ensured Ukraine is now armed to the teeth with western equipment, trained by western nations in modern warfare and has the ear of same. Putin rolled the dice on a quick regime change and has only ensured further Westernisation of Kyiv (barring a new quisling installed post zelensky); if Russia ignored the latest terms, this time they'd face an experienced and battle hardened Ukrainian Army ready to push back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,810 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Assuming the Russians don't agree to a retreat (with or without a symbolic "win" to brag about), Ukraine's strongest weapon will be the pretext of an unresolved conflict to justify using their (homegrown) drones and other armaments to target key "war effort" infrastructure - i.e. refineries, drone factories, storage depots, military training camps, bridges, railways, etc - inside Russia.

    If the West is going to dither about and impose restrictions on what Ukaine can and can't do with what they're given, while failing to effectively enforce sanctions already imposed on Russia, then Ukraine is well within its rights to not agree to any half-hearted ceasefire. Let Russia continue to pay dearly for their war, up to and including the loss of their more peripheral oblasts and republics who decide that they've had enough of Putin's folly.

    Ukraine would be mad to agree to any T&Cs that left Putin free to park all his remaining forces on the Belgorod border, knowing that he could send fighter jets risk-free across the whole of the Donbass-Luhansk region any time he wanted because Ukraine had no Patriot missles there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    The Ukrainians knew this war was coming since 2014, and they prepared for it as best they could, despite a weak economy. Whilst the west has supplied some weapons, most of the Ukrainian Arsenal up until now has still been old Soviet equipment. Some modernised & updated with more supplied from former Soviet nations formerly under the jackboot of the Warsaw Pact.

    The West suppled some modern weapons up until the USA Trump inspired recent withdrawal of support, but even now Ukraine is still fighting with mostly ex Soviet equipment. With some added updated drone & other technological advanced gear they manufactured themselves. Most of the financial support given to Ukraine, particularly from Europe has been to ensure the government & civil society in Ukraine doesn't end up collapsing.

    It's time to open the Arsenals of all democratic nations & give & manufacture for Ukraine the military equipment need to defeat Putin & his scummy invaders. Failure to do so will be a stain forever on every western nations history if this doesn't happen now.

    There might well have been an logistical excuse for the world to decide not to properly aid Czechoslovakia & Poland, against the tyranny of Nazi invasion.

    Such an excuse is no longer valid, Ukraine is bordered by western & NATO nations, with support further afield in many other democratic countries. Why are the worlds richest democratic nations still waiting?

    Ukraine is being destroyed & many just make excuses for procrastination or even worse swallow evil Russian propaganda.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Would you support the Irish government introducing a Ukraine tax? Money where the mouth is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    So lets add the cost of many more millions of refugees from a Ukraine completely conquered, fleeing to the rest of Europe, added to even more refugees & economic migrants continually being filtered through by Russia via eastern European borders.

    If you consider the overall cost of the above scenario, then taxes to aid Ukraine would be obviously cheaper in the long term, for both Europe & Ireland.

    We don't have the politicians with the vision to do what's needed so it won't happen. Even the prospect of another 10 million possibly many more Ukrainians leaving their homeland in exile & arriving in European nations won't change western policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭flutered


    this week, both sullivan and blinken demanded that ukraine stop hitting targets insine russia, cant find the link right now, heck do they want ukraine to fight with its shoe laces tied togeather



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭flutered




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    In WW2, they came in two sizes. Goliath and Borgward. (Goliath is the small one)

    Not particularly successful, folks tended to shoot at them on the way in.
    And, of course, there was that unmanned T-55 that was driven at Ukrainian lines a year ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,339 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,339 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    If we can find 5 billion for asylum seekers surely any country can find this money.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,405 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭victor8600


    Personally, I would. I already send money to various Ukrainian causes anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    That's what we need more of. Fingers crossed it's true. Goes to show the appalling state of Russian military defence organisation… how can a power that likes to flaunt itself as being a global leader, be hit time after time behind its own lines, in the same manner using the same tactics, by an adversary that IT has taken the war to? Its hard to imagine the US showing that much incompetence. Goes to show just how vulnerable Ukraine has made Russia… really hope they can keep it up.

    Repairs to the facilities being hit, lost revenue as a result of refineries being taken out of action even temporarily, replacement costs of high tech military equipment (aircraft, AA, navy) must be absolutely massive when aggregated. And those are losses that would definitely not have been factored into this war by Putin - whatever about the cost of sanctions to the Russian economy, he clearly did not envisage the ability of Ukraine's own military inflicting such damage outside of the battlefield.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    A great haul. Ukraine needed some good news. Got to keep hitting russia. Refineries, airfields, drone factories…..all great targets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    The 6 Russian bombers destroyed this morning in Rostov Region is just the beginning.

    Ukrainian Armed Forces now has the capability of drone strikes to 3000km.

    Russian oil infrastructure, airfields, Putin's palaces all on the menu.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Interesting read:

    Since the onset of Russia’s military aggression in 2014 and its full-scale war in 2022, Ukrainian citizens have consolidated their efforts and demonstrated remarkable unity in defense of their country. 

    Thousands volunteered for the Armed Forces, and Ukrainian women have not been an exception. They took up arms to fight for their country’s independence and personal freedom. Over the years, their numbers in the ranks of AFU only increased, the range of their positions became more diverse, and even uniform and protective ammunition for women has seen a rapid transformation.

    https://war.ukraine.ua/articles/how-many-women-are-defending-ukraine-against-russia-s-invasion/



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,311 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The science nerd in me appreciates that graphic remembering about the Mercator Projection & they didn't just draw a perfect circle around the centre in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    BTW - with this capability of Striking with drones up to 3000km and the persistence of same should definitely change the tune in Russia and Putin. Why? Well IF Russia takes more of Ukraine all that is ahead of Russia is this + insurgency + constant guerilla warfare on the motherland for ever. Ukrainians will not go away you know … to use a phrase from over here



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    And interestingly, in these drones they are fully utilizing AI. Which means the drones dont use or depend on GPS which is what is used mainly by the opposition to detect drones. The AI is a mapping AI that recognises the terrain its flying over as it goes toward its target. So for there journey to the target they are totally self sufficient. Apparently this is the reasons russians cannot find them

    Absolutely fascinating & equally terrifying for all our futures if this falls into wrong hands:

    “Accuracy under jamming is enabled through the use of artificial intelligence. Each aircraft has a terminal computer with satellite and terrain data,” the source close to the drone program explained. “The flights are determined in advance with our allies, and the aircraft follow the flight plan to enable us to strike targets with meters of precision.”

    That precision is made possible by the drone’s sensors.

    “They have this thing called ‘machine vision,’ which is a form of AI. Basically you take a model and you have it on a chip and you train this model to identify geography and the target it is navigating to,” said Noah Sylvia, a research analyst at the Royal United Services Institute, a UK-based think tank. “When it is finally deployed, it is able to identify where it is.”

    “It does not require any communication (with satellites), it is completely autonomous,” Sylvia added.

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