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    #722
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121970971#Comment_121970971

    I think it is , but as I said there are not enough mods to see it all or see it as it is happening .

    It would need a mod reading along with every busy thread or even the most contentious ones .



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    #723
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators Posts: 13,975 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    If people can't state their own opinion/belief without attacking other posters, name calling, belittling etc then THAT is being a dick. Have the courage of your convictions to stand by the strength of your argument without needing to pile on someone else's.

    The problem, as many have stated, is the sheer volume of this type of "debate". It's disruptive and childish. It's impossible to moderate and it takes far too much time - every warning generates a PM. Deleting posts annoys posters. Warning posts annoys posters. Ignoring posts and hoping adults (!) will cop on and move on annoys posters.

    I believe moderators do what they can with the hands they are dealt.

    But I'd love to give my zero tolerance a go and see how long it would take people to cop on! We've done it on a few different threads and forums and funnily enough it gets rid of a lot of that crap. Posters feel it's worth taking the chance because they may or may not get pulled up on it. If you KNEW you were going to get pulled on uncivil, baiting posting every time you'd be less likely to engage in that type of posting.

    Nobody on here will be banned for an opinion. However, you may be warned/banned for how you express that opinion.

    And we'll always have the trolls who love to troll!

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


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    #724
    Green Peter
    Registered Users Posts: 959 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121965071#Comment_121965071

    Warned by a mod for this, What a joke, I rest my case



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    #725
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,487 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121972650#Comment_121972650

    Not a joke at all.

    That was a snide comment suggesting mods were not being open and honest.

    That's EXACTLY the type of post which should be moderated, and I say that as a normal user and not a moderator



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    #726
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators Posts: 13,975 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    @Green Peter most of your posts on this thread have been exactly the type of posts people are complaining about ruining discussions. You've had a number of posts offering nothing except digs at moderators. You've mentioned "circling wagons", you've described moderators in derogatory terms (The Mayo jersey comment is unforgivable!) and said the thread is uncomfortable for moderators and will be shut down.

    You've actually contributed very little by way of workable suggestions or constructive feedback.

    This thread is not uncomfortable for moderators. In fact it is giving moderators an opportunity to explain clearly certain processes to posters that they might otherwise not understand. The thread is nowhere near being shut down. But we are asking all posters to keep it civil and stick to providing constructive feedback and suggestions.

    If you'd like to do that please do. If you're intent on just throwing in the odd oneliner dig then you can expect to be pulled up for it.

    A big complaint here has been moderators and how they interact with posters. Posters have to play their part in that too, and - don't be a dick.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


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    #727
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,405 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121968538#Comment_121968538

    You're absolutely right, any name-calling or generalising should be actioned as it's attacking the poster, not the post. The same goes for people who deem X or Y as far left or woke or whatever buzzword is topical these days.

    You can point out why a person's views (ie their posts) may be seen as racist/far right/far left/proving them to be Santa Claus with a reasoned discussion of course, but you can't outright call someone names. It's breaching two rules really, the don't be a dick rule and attacking the poster instead of the post one too.

    I presume these posts that are name-calling are being reported? In fast moving forums and threads such as CA there simply isn't time for mods to read every post of every thread.



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    #728
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users Posts: 16,899 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121972650#Comment_121972650

    Mods, CMods and admins have engaged openly on the thread. There hasn't been any circling of the wagons or any suggestion of nothing to see here.

    That kind of rhetoric isn't helpful, and must make them wonder why they're bothering. I get that there's the very odd bad mod, but attempting to dismiss them all would be the normal posters circling the wagons and ignoring their responses, it works both ways.

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




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    #729
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users Posts: 8,775 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121973091#Comment_121973091

    I gave up wasting my time reporting posts because nothing was being actioned upon.

    If you look at the banned users on the first page immigration or anything related to trans topics you would see bias moderation if you are a regular reader of CA.



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    #730
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users Posts: 8,775 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    A bizarre post to be honest from reading this thread.

    It's the first time I have seen mods engage and discussing feedback.



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    #731
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121973376#Comment_121973376

    You might want to read again so. Alot of questions/opinions have been asked/given by plently of Mods/CMods/Admins in fairness.



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    #732
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,405 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121973366#Comment_121973366

    Since I stopped modding that forum I'm not a regular reader tbh so I've no idea. Just providing my own opinion on how I'd view what you mentioned in your post.



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    #733
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users Posts: 8,775 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121973392#Comment_121973392

    Apologies if I worded it badly on the phone on a walk, I was attempting to praise mods contributing.



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    #734
    Green Peter
    Registered Users Posts: 959 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121972674#Comment_121972674

    So it's ok for you to call me a dick, I rest my case



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    #735
    Markus Antonius
    Registered Users Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    In the last few years was fascinated with how saying "sleepy Joe Biden" would be a certain forum ban. So bizarre.

    Sorry state of affairs if you can't even criticize the president of a foriegn country.



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    #736
    Markus Antonius
    Registered Users Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121972674#Comment_121972674

    What was the unforgiveable comment about the mayo jersey?

    We can't have anything bad said about that sacred green and red shroud that drapes the body of at least one pastey-legged man attending every landmark in the world.



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    #737
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users Posts: 16,899 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121973619#Comment_121973619

    That was very clearly humour.

    Are some people just looking to be offended now?

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




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    #738
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,815 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121972650#Comment_121972650

    Moderator:

    You are permanently banned from posting in this discussion again.

    -Shield



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    #739
    ToweringPerformance
    Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121973555#Comment_121973555

    Given what that particular man is doing at the moment (standing on the sideline eating ice cream) whilst sending weapons to slaughter innocent Palestinians and journalists calling him sleepy Joe is very mild indeed. It does seem to be a constant theme on CA though where you can say what you want about Trump which i'd wholeheartedly agree with but don't dare be critical of Biden or you'll be banned. Bizarre stuff really.



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    #740
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121973555#Comment_121973555
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121973782#Comment_121973782

    You can criticise what Biden did or didn't do without childish name calling.



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    #741
    ToweringPerformance
    Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121974661#Comment_121974661

    That's not the point. I see Trump name calling all the time and as iv'e said he deserves it and iv'e no problem with it but when a poster puts up a sleepy Joe comment which is very mild in the grand scale of things it's treated in a completely different manner. It's double standards.



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    #742
    Green Peter
    Registered Users Posts: 959 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121973722#Comment_121973722

    Please ban me permanently and put me out of my misery, this is a complete joke and it's sad to see the site go in the direction it's going, whoever owns it needs wake up and take note of this thread and seriously review their moderators. Bye bye



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    #743
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 29,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121974683#Comment_121974683

    iirc it wasn't just done for that reason. The thread was supposed to be about discussing the Biden presidency, policies, actions etc and which was getting derailed by posters peddling rumours about Biden's health etc.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #744
    Vote4Squirrels
    Registered Users Posts: 970 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    The best advice I got was from Big Bag of Chips after I started posting was "read the charter" - it was invaluable to be honest; there were things I might have thought were ok that aren't, best advice for anyone posting I would think.

    As an aside - there was a vile post made to me yesterday and I reported it; not long after there was a note added by a Moderator that a warning had been applied. Great to see that horrible things are taken on board and unacceptable.



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    #745
    Patrick Mahomes
    Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭Patrick Mahomes


    What I have noticed in a couple of forums is that and I except that it’s very hard to be independent at times we all have our own view points on things is that a few and I say only a few moderators have created an echo chamber in those forums of their own personal views and posters that see opposite or even slightly different views are considered to be trolling. As a poster that has coming and gone from Boards over the years there is less and less middle ground anymore now the slightest of slight is considered the end of the world. The moderation standards have dropped just as much as the posting standards has. I sure the Admins, C-Mods & mods would disagree at their standards have dropped.


    Regards,

    P.



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    #746
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,815 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121974711#Comment_121974711

    Moderator:

    For the record only, this user was given two separate sanctions on his account. That’s two attempts for him to rehabilitate his behaviour on Boards. One was a 1-point warning, the other was a 2-point infraction, and this is now another 2-point infraction for disobeying his thread ban. He is now permanently banned from Feedback, and because he has received 5 points on his account, he has received an automated temporary site ban.

    -Shield



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    #747
    Markus Antonius
    Registered Users Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121974717#Comment_121974717

    Please explain to me how Biden's health is not a major factor in any one of "Biden Presidency, policies, actions"? Seems majorly on topic to me.

    The site moderation has a weirdly America-centric vibe about it, with comments getting deleted that irish people, in general, couldn't give two tosses about.



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    #748
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 29,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121975083#Comment_121975083

    I've given the context for the decision, which is self-explanatory as to how it would derail the thread, especially when stuff was being dumped in drive by trolling. The use of the 'sleepy Joe' being a sure sign of that. It does not indicate someone seriously discussing the Presidency.

    If you want to discuss a specific moderator action further, take it up with them.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #749
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,815 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    Moderator:

    Some posts deleted. Please keep this on topic.

    Thanks.

    -Shield



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    #750
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users Posts: 2,597 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121974975#Comment_121974975

    Without commenting on the above - a genuine question, is there a difference between a warning, and an infraction?

    Is there a higher scale than a 2?



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    #751
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121975871#Comment_121975871

    0 point warning is basically a Mod telling you to cop on a bit/wind your neck in/don't post like that again etc - i.e. not a 1 point ( old Yellow) but it could well be the next time.

    1 point warning - is a Warning ( old Yellow) Lasts 1 week

    2 point warning - is an infraction ( old Red) lasts 2 weeks- given if the post is very abusive in nature/repeatedly given 1 point warnings but persists etc

    If you get 5 active points you are automatically sitebanned.



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