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  • 03-04-2024 8:52am
    #1
    joethegrinder
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭


    what do I do when my solictor has lost my 99 year lease agreement at considerable cost on myself on a lane way that I created and the lease has also been stolen from my house and now the landowner wants me off it

    Any thoughts would be appreciated



Answers

  • #2
    phildub
    Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭phildub


    Were the leases registered with registry if deeds, tailte eireann or RTB? That might be your first step



  • #3
    whomitconcerns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,384 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    So......the lease the solicitor has is missing and the one you have was stolen.…....... I think it's a conspiracy with the landowner behind it.

    They'll wipe out anyone that knew about its existence next.. Be careful. 😁



  • #4
    joethegrinder
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭joethegrinder


    the lease agreement that the solicitor lost was not registered with the land registry

    He also lost unregistered property deeds on a farm of land that can’t be tracked



  • #5
    phildub
    Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭phildub


    Unregistered property is registered in the registry of deeds. If a lease was for 99 years it should have been registered at the very least in the registry of deeds. If it hasn't been your solicitor will need to do up a deed of rectification to register your title. Did you take a mortgage out on the properties? If not then where are the rest of the deeds other than the lease? When did your lease begin, its possible some of the records have been scanned onto a system somewhere. Easiest thing to do is talk to your solicitor as the last person to hold your title



  • #6
    joethegrinder
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭joethegrinder


    the lease agreement was drew up in 2009 and the solictor who drew it up lost his license

    In 2014 for fraud. The solicitor who took over the business told me that the secretary who

    Worked there took the computer with her and the deeds. There was a historical trust on the

    Deeds in our favour but the man on the land wants us off the lane and says there never was

    A lease agreement (his mother signed it in 2009) the copy of lease stolen in 2017 from my house. It never was registered in land registry or reg of deeds

    The lane runs through unregistered land and folio numbered land that she owns



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  • #7
    whomitconcerns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,384 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    So not only did yours get stolen but when the solicitor lost it, it was because he got arrested for fraud and his secretary then stole the lease and other legal documents..…c'mon…

    This has got to be a wind up



  • #8
    joethegrinder
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭joethegrinder


    the solicitor took money from customers and got done for it, not my lease agreement.

    Can you tell me is he liable for my lease agreement



  • #9
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,459 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Sounds like a Mossad special op. On the positive side, they probably had to take a break from their normal murdering of Palestinian women and kids to hatch and put into action "operation steal lease"



  • #10
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,511 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Folks. Having something stolen from your house does not mean it was a clock and dagger-style, middle-of-the-night burglary. It could have been as simple as the neighbour taking it while after they had been invited into the house.



  • #11
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,769 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983662#Comment_121983662

    Is he liable for your lease? Well, yeah, if you can prove that the lease existed, and that he lost it, and that you are at a financial loss because of that, you can sue him for damages to compensate you for the loss you have suffered.

    Obviously, there's going to be issues about proving all that.

    Even more obviously, by your own account the guy has perpetrated unrelated frauds, and if so there are other people out of pocket because of his activities, so you'd be joining what could be quite a long queue to claim money off him. You have to ask yourself whether spending time and money on pursuing this claim might be throwing good money after bad.

    From the story you tell, the most promising avenue for you to pursue is to track down the secretary who took the files. Hopefully she still has them, and she can perhaps be persuaded to give you yours, so that you can establish the existence of the lease, and then assert it against the owner of the land.



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  • #12
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983680#Comment_121983680

    All that remains is for someone to blame the dog! Wonder if the secretary had a dog….



  • #13
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121973729#Comment_121973729

    I think you are screwed. I spent a time doing fraud and insolvency investigations and I heard some very tall tails…..

    I can't imagine any member of the judiciary believing so much corruption, fraud and theft around a single event… you'd need to have a couple of points where you can pin your story to evidence that can be verified by a third party to have a chance.



  • #14
    Lenar3556
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Lenar3556


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121982557#Comment_121982557

    No, the secretary ran off with the computer.



  • #15
    Lenar3556
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Lenar3556


    The crooked solicitor will be a dead duck, but maybe there might be a few bob in the law society compensation fund?



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