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The Apprentice 2024

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  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Ralph_GM


    I'd be embarrassed if I was Maura looking back at the show. Her wine tour bullshit was cringe and then on this task she was screaming and shouting about a paddling pool.

    How can these people be in the show and running successful businesses? They're nearly all idiotic, I'd be pissed if one of them was hired to work with me for 50k salary.

    The only semi competent one from what I can see is Flo, she's gorgeous too for an added bonus. lol

    Raj…"wow wow wow wow!!!" Someone in 3rd year of college would be miles better than her at selling something.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,550 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    In fairness how good would anyone be selling stuff live on TV with zero training and preparation? And with people screaming instructions in an earpiece? It's often said that the tasks are designed to make the contestants looks stupid/ill prepared and this week's task is a perfect example of that. No idea how real life tv shopping works, but I'm pretty sure there'd be a few weeks of training/dry runs first.



  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Ralph_GM


    Honestly, I think a lot of people would do a whole lot better with same amount of prep.

    It's not like they were given the task and immediately had to go on tv. They could have practiced in their head or in their room the night before of their approach.

    They just needed to think of any time they watched tv sales.

    • Be enthusiastic
    • Communicate clearly
    • Describe all features of the product and their benefits
    • Reference the price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,863 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Doing their homework as it were does not seem to be a strong point with this group. Taking people on a wine tour, it might have been a good idea to learn a bit about wine the night before.

    Or knowing the day before you are going to be on the marketing sub-team, maybe come up with some ideas the night before? Don't arrive for your sit down session to come up with a campaign to advertise an electric campervan with just E-Camper or E-Van.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    To be fair, the more you watch it, the more you realise nothing makes any sense or follows logic. More holes than a block of ementhal cheese.

    Maura could make you a fortune with a good yoga business idea. But by Apprentice rules, because she's awful at selling tents on television, she's not worth the investment. It's the show that rewards the Jack of all trades rather than the master of one - which when we're in the "business investment" era of the show, itself makes no sense.

    That said, I think Flo is definitely the favourite right now and we know that Lord Sugar loves a recruitment person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    I also think Rachel is a good candidate; Tre wasn't as good last night as he has been. Wouldn't be surprised if Sugar likes Paul, being a dentist he's lots of scope as an investee (botox and all that)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Paul must have a killer business plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    Sam wasn't a bad candidate - her business plan was pre/post natal exercise classes; similar to Maura and the yoga - think Sugar would have no interest in that type of investment



  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Ralph_GM


    I watched a couple of the episodes towards the end of last years series and was thinking the same about the eventual winner, the boxing gym.

    But it's fairly clear that I think, was it, 200k of grants made it easy for Sugar.

    Anyone know what way the investment works? Does Sugar get 50%?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,863 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    As I understand it, Sugar gets 50%. They changed the model a few years ago because they'd had a run of unsuccessful businesses/candidates. The previous model was a 100k job offer doing whatever business the candidate wanted to run.

    Interesting article here: https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/entertainment/reality-tv/the-apprentice-winners/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,688 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Rachel must have a great business plan.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,550 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Aww I felt for Steve there, I wanted him in the final 5. Unfortunate he was up against Rachel who's just been that bit stronger throughout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,949 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I thought that his 'I'm taking responsibility for my sh1t' tactic might just get him over the line. Just so unusual to hear any of them actually say this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,863 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Totally different.

    Steve took responsibility and admitted it was a gamble that didn't work.

    Noor took responsibility but only because she was still convinced it was the best idea going and thought everyone else was wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,949 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    I thought the mixing of the teams was unfair. Moving Tre (a strong candidate) to the other team created a big imbalance plus the format to create a final five meant a double sacking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    was deffo a task where having 4 had a massive advantage V 3. Think Sugar went on too much about the 3 person team should have put 2 on the branding. They’d have been left with only 1 on the product design then - bad move too I’d say.

    Paul’s business idea was vapourware so not surprising Sugar fired him



  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Ralph_GM


    Are all these orders purely fictional? Seems you'd be stupid to risk a new flavour when one that tastes like another on the market already would probably get orders. Like Phils team got thousands of orders but they were told they couldn't taste truffle despite it being a truffle cheese.

    TBH it comes across like a bit of a set up to keep Phil in. Move Tre over to give them the advantage.

    Falusha was out of her depth weeks ago. Putting the V in the wheel of cheese because it's a vegan product….secondary school level.

    Steves business idea seemed crap. An app to help meet new friends I think he said? Meetup already exists.

    I don't think Flo wins even though I think she's one of the best this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    I meant Steve’s business idea was rubbish.

    Sugar deffo has his eyes on Paul, reminds me a bit of Dr Leah a few years ago. Lots of money in the private medical/dental sector



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Big time. I'm nearly sure others have been fired in the past for losing streaks of 3 and 4.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,576 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    The mixing of the teams and the 4 v 3 seemed a blatant tactic to maximize Phil's chance of getting a win. "Right, I want you to create a football skills video for use in schools. I'll mix up the teams - Lionel and Erling, move over to Phils team"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    Yeah, thought the same. Do we know what his business plan is yet? Getting Inventor Tom vibes with the way this is going down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,949 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Why does Rachel have horns?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,797 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Was sure Flo would make it to the final, she was the only one who put a bit of work into a business plan and was a strong candidate in all the tasks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    Fair play to Paul for not panicking and taking that horrible deal for his existing business. Really is a bad look that billionaire Sugar was trying to take half of his successful business that he's built from the ground up for a measly £250k.

    Feel it's a similar situation with Phil too. A successful business with £750k in cash albeit possibly going through a rough spell. He'd be better off going on Dragon's Den.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    Sugar playing safe investing in existing businesses. Really does look they are keeping some people in the process because of their business ideas rather than their performance on the tasks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,603 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Genuinely the only reason that pie guy made the final...useless



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    Can't see why anyone with a successful business would want to make a fool of themselves for ten weeks in order to give away half their business. That's a lot of equity for not much cash in the grand scheme of things.

    Can understand why it's appealing to someone like Tre who had an idea, but no actual business alright, but it doesn't make sense otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,949 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Absolutely. The Dentist is allowed to totally change his mind yet Flo isn't allowed to revise her figures. This series has been very dodgy on lots of levels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Playing devil's advocate here but Paul shït the bed entirely and sunk himself. Ten weeks with a business plan that utterly collapsed in one day. I'd say fair play to Lord Sugar for not taking a last minute cash grab. We've seen before that he's no interest in candidates who want to push a second unrelated business whilst retaining a "primary" business.

    Felt a little bad for Flo but a shelf company recruitment business was never going to work. She would likely have been hired back in the original Apprentice format.

    Was quite surprised how unprepared and frankly, delusional Tre was with his plan. Seemed like a lovely guy but again, there was nothing there to invest in.

    I'd say Lord Sugar knows/knew who was winning before the final.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,550 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Surprise result, I thought everything we've seen over the last two tasks pointed to Phil being the winner. Rachel is a very credible person but her business just seems like a bog standard gym, no matter how much she tries dressing it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,688 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    She was a good candidate but I didn't think much of her business plan. After the presentations, I thought Phil had it.

    Phil's presentation was better, product was better and sounded like there was more room for growth. However, his grasping of numbers and forecasts let him down and his "it's not all about profit" comment was the nail in the coffin.

    Rachel's ability to speak in figures was more in alignment with what Sugar wanted which is why I reckon he went with her



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    think Sugar would have had more work to do to get the Pie business expanded etc. Rachel was a more business savvy and smart person. Think he went for the individual more so than the business idea



  • Registered Users Posts: 45 ihateboards


    I suspect Phils business (five outlets, 700k in cash) was worth far more than the 500k valuation, Lord Sugar's 250k investment would place on it, so if common sense prevailed he'd have to reject such an offer. Similar to Paul's situation with his dental practices.

    The 250k is not a prize but instead the amount Sugar is willing to pay for a seemingly fixed 50% of whatever business is on offer.

    The series is like a prolonged Dragon's Den negotiation, where you have to wait 10+ hours of TV to find out what the business is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,949 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Have to agree. I thought the show was about investing in people. I can't see how Paul could agree to giving away 50% especially as he told Rachel that he wouldn't be giving lots of advice.

    I can't remember hearing about the 50% in previous series.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    It has always been 50% since they changed the format to be an investment in a business idea instead of a job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭druss


    Contrary view. I thought, after the interviews in previous week, it was obvious that Rachel was now going to win. If Paul had agreed to the ridiculous pressure on him to hand over half of his dental practice to Sugar he would have joined Rachel in the final week and would almost certainly have "won".

    Phil was very much the backup plan, but I thought he had no realistic chance of winning - again unless he completely junked his plans.

    I thought the whole thing was even more publically unscrupulous than before. Before, it was obvious that the process was rigged to faciltate candidates with better business plans. They would be protected in weeks where they conspicously underpreformed in the weekly task. Others would be randomly fired for spurious reasons.

    But this approach of looking beyond their business plan to see if they have any other saleable assets - and then getting the different interviewer's board to line up and consecutively pressure the candidate to withdraw their proposal and agree to Sugar taking over half of something else entirely to their huge financial disadvantage was pretty odious.

    Fair play to Paul for resisting. It must have been fairly tempting, when stuck in this weird tv silo, to go for the win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,949 ✭✭✭✭Discodog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,797 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Claude thinks Sugar should have gone with Phil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Reports in the last few days that Rachel's business has never turned a profit.



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