Public charging prices not dropping when wholesale prices drop

all tehy have to do is make it part of teh standard for filling stations , ie, for every multi fuel pump installed, 1 ev point has to be installed. its not hard, and is going to have to happen at some time, likley sooner rather then later.

bigget issue i have atm is the multiple diffrent complanies and seperat apps needed, but, thats a diffrent rant.

That's not actually unusual for EV chargers. Unless they're on a major route just off a motorway, they tend to be used infrequently and very seldom have all chargers used. Also can depend on what output they have. Somebody topping up on a longer journey, won't want to use 22kW units and even 50kW would be relatively slow.

You'd want to be sitting outside all day to get a better picture of their use.

It doesn't matter how much it costs, the Government want to force people into cars they don't want. And they make a fortune on all the tax they will rake in on these expensive cars in the process but the Havana effect will become reality, older and older cars unless the Government take the Ultimate step of banning all ICEs making them uninsurable and untaxable and closing all petrol stations. Eamon Ryan would do it tomorrow if he had the power and he wouldn't care about the consequence, sure the Earth is suffering the most, who cares about how people have to get around, least of all Ryan.

It's certainly an issue that has to be addressed. Will be interesting to see how the upcoming grant scheme for those affected is structured. It's a complex issue because of the many different ways these multi-unit dwellings are constructed and laid out.

Even the simple question of who owns the shared spaces like parking and other open areas has to be taken into account in how any solution is structured. And then who pays and how (and how much) for the charging facilities.

2022 had very high wholesale electricity prices overall so that's no surprise. They invested 1m in charging infrastructure and accumulated losses of 1m suggests they would have broken even otherwise and were prioritising expansion of the network over dividends for investors. They were in contract with a few councils to provide chargers as well so that would have made the investment very cost beneficial

It's likely 2023 was a profitable year for them as the price we paid stayed high but the wholesale prices dropped

i think you missed the point, or i wasnt clear.

evs will cost the same to have and run as a liquid fuled car in 2030, it wont be any cheaper, but, it will be likley the only option.
its either going to be a yearly nct bill based off millage to recoup lost tax, or, a straight out lump tax (like €1000) on them.

I agree. But at least it's still cheaper than the UK at 56p for up to 50kWh and 81p for above that on average.

The UK shouldn't be a barometer for anything 🤷😊😊😊

Is there a list online of rapid charger prices per KWH, please, I have checked and cant find one

Interested in those without a subscription , as my use will be occasional

If the state shouldn't do business then we'd have no public transport at all. It's not profitable across the board.

Which would leave vast swades of our population immobile. That americanised thinking isn't the country I want to live in.

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater comes to mind. Because the state doesn't get stuff right every time ergo it's bad. How about when businesses don't do it right ? The notion they go to the wall everytime if they get it wrong has been proven to be incorrect. Their isn't a real market in all it's senses for everything in life. There's degree of socialisation and businesses have been known to take advantage of this in negative and positive ways. Yet people herald privatisation always as a positive... begs belief really.

Interesting you say governments aren't entrepreneurial. And then cite Norway one of the most entrepreneurial countries on earth with how they do things with state resources access to them and brining back ownership of them.So much so that they've got an investment fund that's the envy of nations. Successive governments have pursued same policies for decades.

Btw I'm not talking about ev networks I'm talking about how the free market is being poised versus government led. Which you indicate is always bad. Not true.

Home charging is 90% according to the SEAI from CSO data. But yes, you're correct and public charging prices will only come down when there are enough BEVs on the road to make that possible. I've made this point a few times on this forum and even went to the trouble of getting EasyGo's accounts from the companies office to prove it.

Having said that, the best way to get more BEVs on the road and potentially lower prices is to push money into the infrastructure and remove that excuse from the litany that people trot out to explain their decision to keep buying ICE cars.

Give over, Ireland is the most deforested land in continental Europe yet we feel the right to criticize Brazil for their destruction of rainforest ?

Ireland has less tress than Snowdonia in Wales for F1ck sake, so much emphasis on cars but nothing about replanting real forest.

If we were to replant our hardwood forest we could effectively remove the effects of hundreds of thousands of ICE cars and probably much more.

Why is there no incentive or talk to move people from big cars with 1 driver of family cars to 1 driver transport such as motor bikes or scooters which offer much better fuel economy and far less congestion ? why should we offer grants for expensive very heavy and often larger crossover type electric cars vs much more fuel efficient less traffic clogging 2 wheel transport ?

@D_D "…95% of charging is done at home, so these fast charging sites need to make their money back from the remaining 5%. Very difficult to do on expensive infrastructure."

A lot of EV owners have ICE as 2nd car.

@prawnsambo "But yes, you're correct and public charging prices will only come down when there are enough BEVs on the road to make that possible."

Wishful thinking lol.

At the current prices that are being charged for DC fast charging there isn't going to be an increase in BEV sales, which are currently declining.

Yes, if the tech is good enough people will buy it.

It's chicken and egg I suppose. If you look at countries like Norway who've had phenomenal uptake of BEVs, they've used a combination of supports to achieve this. But then again, they can afford it. A middle ground approach will take longer, but it probably starts with a combination of more chargers, greater range and falling cost of entry.

ireland can afford this too, very little diffrence in the budgets of each country, similar poulation density, no reason we cant afford it.