Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Most of the Jews in Iran had the good sense to leave, most Iranian Jews now live in Israel. As to why Iran tolerates the maybe 10,000 or so that remain, perhaps since they live under Shia domination the Mullahs think they can tolerate them. Iran's interest in all of this is that it wants a Shia dominated Middle East. That's why their proxy fronts attack both Jews in Israel and Sunni Muslims in Sunni states, e.g. the Houthis.

From Iran's perspective, any Jewish state in the Middle East is totally unacceptable - they don't care what Israel's borders are. What that means for the 7.4 million who live in Israel? AFAIK that means they must, from Iran's perspective, be subjugated, expelled or killed.

You have said repeatedly that Iran, all of it, wants to kill Jews. Now you are trying to explain why the Mullahs don't want to kill Jews in Iran. But then again, they are associated with the "modern" Iranian flag, and therefore Jihadists. So Jihadists don't want to kill Jews, is that what you are saying? It's either that or you're just making this up as you go along.

A small move, but significant

"More than three dozen congressional Democrats – including representative
Nancy Pelosi, the former House speaker and a key Joe Biden ally –
signed a letter to the president and the secretary of state Antony Blinken, urging a halt to weapons transfers to Israel."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/05/biden-israel-gaza-aid

How do you prove something isn't true? Like, Iran postures about obliterating Israel and driving Jews from the Middle East. Yet, that's not a threat.

And there may be 10,000 Jews in Iran. I say, so what? It proves nothing - it's convenient for the useful idiots to wave 'see, Iran really doesn't mean it when they say they want to obliterate Jews in the Middle East.' Uhuh. Convenient for Iran to not obliterate their own Jews yet. Surprised many can't see through this. Maybe this changes should war break out between Iran (who still pursue nuclear weapons, probably not to drop on the Saudis but who knows.)

There's been blatant antisemitism on this thread. Not often. A picture of a pentagram comes to mind, as well as baseless accusations about dual citizenship for US Congressmen. Lately there's been the old warhorse of Jews running everything in the US, that comes up often.

Saying there's a strong pro-Israeli lobby in the US is not saying 'the jews run the USA'. Most of it comes from right wing christian evangelists.

You would have to think that realistically the main problem most of the people in Arab countries & muslims in general have with the state of Israel is the way the Palestinian people are treated by the state of Israel.

So the reason that Israel was attacked by a coalition of Arab states the day after it came into existence as legally as any of the other states that were set up after the Ottoman Empire collapsed or after a colonial power like France or England moved out, it was because pre-emptively they felt sure that Israel was going to treat the non Jews on its territory worse than, say, the Turks treated its Greek/Christian minority, or India treated Muslims, or Pakistan treated Indians?

And not at all because they just refused to have Israel exist in any shape or form?

how did the Israelis act toward Palestinians the week, months, or years before they became the state of Israel? Hugs and rainbows?

It's absolutely mental that you could have an invasion of hundreds of thousands of colonial settlers, who murdered and bombed and assassinated both locals and officials, stole land and houses after murdering and pushing out the original inhabitants, then claim victimhood when neighbours aren't too fond of them.

And incredibly warped, entitled, and self-centred view.

The new neighbours here - the Murphys - forced the previous owners out of their house. Murdered a few of their kids and threw the rest on the street. These Murphys constantly harass all the other neighbours, periodically beating them up or stealing or destroying their cars. Breaking into their houses and stealing anything of value. Yet - shock horror - none of the neighbours like them. It's obviously discrimination. And therefore the Murphys are justified to not only continue as they are, but to up their attacks. Some of the neighbours have even submitted complaints to the local Gardai - which just proves their deep-rooted discrimination against the poor Murphys.

This is not the gotcha you seem to think it is: neither Netanyahu, nor the state of Israel "sponsored" Hamas.

Rather they enabled money to be sent to Hamas from Arab states like Qatar because they believed, wrongly, that Hamas was prepared to negotiate peace in exchange for money. Turned out Hamas are not interested in peace at all. They are only interested in destroying Israel.

It's actually a very good reason for Israel to fight Hamas to the death, because Hamas have shown that it is not possible to live in peace with them (and also to dump Netanyahu for having been so naive, but that's a separate question.)

It all seemed about votes from the beginning with Biden

Hes been having a go at Israel for a while now without taking action

LOL You think that's what it would take for Hamas to stop trying to murder random Jews? That's even more naive than Netanyahu thinking Hamas were interested in running Gaza as a country rather than as a war economy to destroy Israel.

Holy whataboutery, no idea where you flew off here. Just answer the question please, how exactly did the Israeli settlers treat the locals in the time leading up to the creation of the Israeli state? The deflection screams of an inability to engage the reality honestly.

What do you think handing them suitcases full of cash is, a sanction? Putting sponsored in air quotes doesn't mitigate that they are state sponsors of Hamas. Cash money and all. If Israel did it with good intentions, why was it a secret that only journalists uncovered later by happenstance? Why would negotiations for peace be a secret? Clearly that wasn't the purpose of the cash.

Yes Bibi just handed his useful 'barbarians at the gate' suitcases full of cash, ignored repeated intelligence warnings and murdered Israelis in a kibbutz that voted against him on October 7th all as a coincidence.

If you knew any history, you'd get the connection. There are a bunch of states all created as a result of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, many with forced displacement of various minorities, religious and/or ethnic. Several are still ruled by the family of the warlord that kicked the most ass at the time. Or another warlord that murdered the previous one.

Yet the only one of them that is regularly denounced today as somehow illegitimate is Israel. The only one that's actually a democracy.

But yeah that's not antisemitism, it's just a coincidence.