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Shannon Radar being replaced.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,754 ✭✭✭Tow


    I wonder what their Service Level Agreement says.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭StormForce13


    Of course it does! Many thanks for the correction.

    I can understand it being attached to the old Department of the Environment, but assumed that it had been relocated when that Department changed its focus to trying to build more houses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,924 ✭✭✭squonk


    I’d say there’s no SLA although you’d think a manufacturer would institute an SLA at least for tge warranty period just to make themselves look good. I suppose the part is stuck in a DHL facility in the Netherlands lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭cml387


    It's a bit much to expect the radar to predict your microclimate. If it's drizzling outside you hardly need the radar to confirm it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,949 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    No but we would like to know when it will start/stop.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,924 ✭✭✭squonk


    it’s drizzle over a relatively large area and it can come in waves so seeing an image of that definitely is useful for planning activities whatever you think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Drizzle is typically low cloud while rain falls from further up. Weather radars can't pickup low-lying drizzle from a distance due to the curvature of the earth, so it's not likely that the Shannon weather radar will ever identify drizzle over Galway. Sorry dude!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,024 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Probably parts which are coming from the US and which are now caught up in customs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,754 ✭✭✭Tow


    It is a German system, an SLA for their military radar is available per the link below.

    No doubt we opted for basic cover. Not the stick an engineer on the first (or hire a) plane with pallets of spare parts option.

    https://electronics.leonardo.com/documents/16277707/0/Radar+Systems+(MM08027+10-22).pdf

    In saying that, I wonder if there is nothing wrong with the new radar and the issue lies elsewhere. There may have been nothing actually wrong with the last radar!

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭StormForce13


    Regardless of what level of cover ME may have opted for, presumably the warranty would have been valid for at least 12 months? And this thread suggests that it went live on 24 October last, so it's well within warranty period.

    The following blather - taken from the above link - is mildly amusing:

    "Systems developed by the company are high value assets, created with the promise of an effective operational life-cycle.

    To guarantee total customer satisfaction, after-sales support services are carefully engineered to ensure high levels of systems performance. We have a dedicated department which consists of specialists, along with a network of value-adding partnerships with support related companies, in order to provide the best aftersales support to our valued customers …… "

    Presumably all of those fantastic "specialist staff" in the company's "dedicated department" go skiing over the Easter weekend!

    And I suspect that whoever who wrote that bilge stifled a guffaw as he wrote "our valued customers"!

    Post edited by StormForce13 on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24 aob9


    The tax paying public deserve a meaningful update on this pathetic situation. "We are working to resolve the issue" is useless information. It's a brand new piece of kit. It was upgraded to prevent this very situation. We have a storm forecast for this weekend and no live radar to track the rainfall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭pauldry


    The sad thing is I remember the Summers of 2007 to 2012 and they were terrible weren't they but radars online were much better back then, even drizzle was possible to detect sometimes. How have radars online deteriorated so much yet everything else has improved 1000 fold?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,024 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Two April storms coming from the south west and the radar in the south west is not working. Joke. How often are the UK radars ever down?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,809 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Radar seems to be back up working on the met eireann app



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    To be fair, it's at least 25 miles inland from a WNW wind:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    But it's also on the Shannon Estuary. Salt exposure can be a significant issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,883 ✭✭✭CrowdedHouse


    Radiation from the nukes that yanks bring through Shannon 😀

    Seven Worlds will Collide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,024 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Back on ME website. Reckon there could have been a bit of "get that f*cking thing back up before the storm hits"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭almostthere12


    Shut it back down please, I was living in an alternate reality there for a while where it wasn’t raining…….until I’d look out the window!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,949 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    New notice on the app. Reoccurrence of a technical issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭StormForce13


    I really hope that the Ukranian Military isn't depending on this incompetent shower of German radar manufacturers for their Air Defence Systems. Because if so, then they're bunched!

    Post edited by StormForce13 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭dmc17


    Hope they got more than a 24 hour warranty on the new hardware



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    Sounds more like something they bought on Ali Express rather than from Germany.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24 aob9


    It's increasingly apparent that ME didn't do a full reinstall of essential hardware during the upgrade. It's very likely this an associated piece of aging equipment that's giving this new problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,306 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Which is just bizarre, they took months to get the thing working, it's not like they swapped it out overnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,809 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Seems to be working again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,205 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Doing its thing at 12:00



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,715 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    You'd have to be a bit suspicious of the prefect symmetry of those rings lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,949 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Looks like it's down again.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,232 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    I believe rings like that on the radar returns are telltale signs of frozen precipitation high up, often seen when a colder airmass moves over the country like yesterday, I see there is a report in today of snow capped Galtees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭dmc17


    ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,306 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Good lord.

    I don't think I've ever seen the Dublin radar out of service. What gives?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭kc56


    Dublin radar has been off-line many times but it is obvious since it is surrounded by 3 other radars which overlap its coverage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    ie, a redundant weather radar setup? Or are you saying that the aircraft radar are also used as weather feeds…?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭kc56


    No. Weather radars in Shannon, Northern Ireland and Wales.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    It's not the same through, is it? NI/Aldergrove's view of the Dublin region is shielded by the Mourne Mountains and line-of-sight/curvature; it's the same LoS/curvature issues for Shannon and Wales.

    So I wouldn't personally say the overlapping is sufficient coverage for an outage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭StormForce13


    From the ME website:-

    "The Shannon radar is currently undergoing routine preventive maintenance."

    Well, it's been working for almost 5 weeks so it's clear that it was badly in need of some down time!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    Does the Dublin Radar ever go down for maintenance? I think it wouldn't be missed as much because of coverage from Belfast and cross channel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    The idea of a new (8 months old) radar having down time for "preventive maintenance" is strange. What preventive work would a brand new installation need? It was already broken down recently for a lengthy period. I'm no expert but it all seems very odd to me. Was the entire replacement new or are there still some old components remaining?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭tphase


    not at all odd, there will be a service contract in place, scheduled every 6 months. The Dublin radar will be serviced after this, it makes sense to get them both done at the same time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,306 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Alot better to have preventative maintenance than another prolonged downtime.

    Ironic that it had to be the first day with significant rain in ages. Almost as if the rainfall radar is allergic to rain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭StormForce13


    You'd think that they might have carried out that bit of "preventative maintenance" during the six (or was it 7) day period over Easter when it wasn't working.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,949 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Surely that's not a big job? The coverage keeps coming & going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭tphase


    you'd think that and they might have if the outage had happened closer to the time of the scheduled maintenance. The service contract will have a callout element for emergencies/failures and a 6-monthly inspection/maintenance element. In the long run, it's easier to manage (for both ME and the suppler) if the maintenance is done on schedule



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭StormForce13


    Yep, easier to mange for both ME and the supplier …….. and who cares about the service users? Shure they just need to look out of the window! 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭tphase


    Yep, easier to mange for both ME and the supplier …….. should result in a more reliable service which will benefit the service users



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,253 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,306 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Notice today saying the Dublin radar under maintenance. Harder to notice the missing coverage alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,205 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Down again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭StormForce13


    "Shannon radar is offline for essential non-radar infrastructure works."

    Looks like the painters are in town; or maybe it's the windowcleaners!



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