Dublin GAA Discussion Thread: Mod Note - No 'Dublin Dominance' chat allowed!

That's a soft free to bring us level.

If dublin are to win Sam theyll need a rigid defence game plan like last year, far to open today.

Deserved win for Derry the better team on the day .We were badly exposed defensively could have conceded a couple more goals .We will have to tighten up there in the summer .We got a fairly soft free to get to extra time then spurned two scoring chances and then Derry go up and get the score .Plenty for Dessie to ponder and there is always a health warning over league results so it should cool the jets a bit about being way out in front .We seemed to really struggle with the kickouts and lost midfield badly .I am not as disappointed about losing on penalties as if in regular play time even if we should have been .

Fair play to Derry. I think the last time I saw Dublin in a GAA penalty shootout was Dublin v Meath O’Byrne Cup SF a good few years ago.

The younger lads are definitely making progress but when the chips are down in the summer I can't see Dublin fielding much of a changed side from last year tbh.

For me Cian Murphy has the best chance of breaking into the team. Not just because Davy Byrne is gone. I think he's the best of the younger players.

That was an enjoyable game all said and done. I'm still bemused as to how Conor Lane is still allowed ref games like this though. He somehow manufactured 2 red cards for us today when there wasn't a dirty stroke from us all game.

Glad Derry came away with the win. I know Harte isn't the most popular of managers but he's been through the ringer over the past few years and this was a big win for Derry football.

We'll be far better as the championship goes on so would not worry about meeting them again.

Harte has not really changed the previous system much that Gallagher had, just made them better at it and even more aggressive. Derry seem to really play for him. It is odd to think that he just could not get Tyrone to move on from that overly cautious style. But with Derry it is like he has got a new lease of life.

Tyrone now counter with purpose and use their forwards way more than under Harte's tenure. It is why they won Sam. Sean Cavanagh was the first to say it.

I think Derry suits Harte more because Derry are set up to have the backs counter attacking with the couple of focal points up front.

Did you watch the league final anyway or did you not bother because you think the game of football is "dead"?

Whelo never bats for us I think he is too concerned about being accused of Dublin bias so he seems to go out of his way to be the neutral voice .Other counties have pundits who do their bit of calling out incidents against their own counties .I gave up listening to the panels a few years ago bit hear Whelo hasn't changed a bit .

yes I did and enjoyed a good open game, however, I would draw your attention to the old saying……

‘One swallow doesn’t make a Summer’

Both teams wanted to ‘play football’ and be positive.

No trundling up and down the field at walking pace.

He pushed the Derry lad with his open left hand alright, but also pushed his chin with his closed right fist too. No idea how much of that Lane saw (he had a horrid game in general and was far more culpable for causing the melee than any of the Dublin lads - though Derry would be the far more upset of the two sides given a few of the shocking calls he gave against them) but the red card was spot on.

No harm for your lads. The last thing anyone wants is to come into a game with Fenton feeling he owes them one. I'll be sticking a fiver on Brian for MOTM if ye meet again later in the year.

From the other angle as show on League Sunday that was disproven. Tomas O'Se correctly pointed out that from the ref's angle it looked as if Fenton's fist came in contact with the Derry player. But Fenton did in fact not strike the Derryman.

I'm not sure which part of what was said you feel was 'disproven'?

"He pushed the Derry lad with his open left hand alright, but also pushed his chin with his closed right fist too."

Totally agree with both you and Tomás it was a push rather than a clear strike, but Tomás was mistaken when saying as a blanket statement originally that it wasn't a red card offence if not a clear strike (later corrected himself to 'wasn't a red card for me', which is subjective and a valid point of view - just not one I'd share). More than enough wiggle room in "5.15 To strike or to attempt to strike an opponent with arm, elbow, hand or knee with minimal force." or "5.17 To behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent." for that to subjectively fall well within red card territory and not sure if I've met, spoken to or played under a ref that wouldn't give red seeing that fist-push to the face.

Sure, look, Lane is just an awful ref. He didn't see that incident at all, although how he missed the dig Fenton got in the ribs when he hand the ball in his hands is anyone's guess. But he was brutal for both teams as you say. The penalty was a complete embarrassment of a decision because he waves the ball wide, as do the umpires, before suddenly changing his mind completely. And the free he gave us at the end to level the game was never a free either. He's just an awful ref.

Sunday week, 21st.