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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users Posts: 835 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Are you capable of more complex thought than thinking if one side is very bad, the other side must be very good? Genuine question.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    You know there are 1000s of Palestinians "imprisoned" with no charge. And this is not a new thing



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    And yet the Palestinian prisoners released during the truce in November were people like the girl who stabbed her pregnant neighbour in front of the neighbour's other children. If there are are so many genuinely innocent Palestinians in Israeli jails, why didn't Hamas prioritise their release instead of putting convicted murderers or attempted murderers on their lists?



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,232 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    the Israeli Ministry of ‘Justice’ decided the list of people who could be released

    https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/11/24/who-were-the-palestinian-prisoners-israel-released-on-friday



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,750 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Never mind that, sure I even heard that one of the Palestinians being held hostage in an Israeli prison was accused - albeit not charged - of parking on a double yellow line once

    What makes her crime all the worse is that she was only 14 years old and didn't have a car…….and yet people would try to convince you she is not a Hamas terrorist



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  • Registered Users Posts: 83,232 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Pelosi, another noted lifetime zionist, calls for new hold on continuing military aid

    https://www.mediaite.com/biden/pelosi-joins-dem-lawmakers-in-calling-for-biden-to-stop-giving-us-weapons-to-israel/



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    That's a question you'll have to ask Hamas and Israel. It doesn't change the facts of what I said, the that loads are imprisoned for no reason whatsoever

    There are many being held simply for the crime of being Palestinian pretty much, is bureaucracy has them in prison without charge.

    Like why on earth was the 16 year old girl out in prison for slapping an IDF soldier. The IDF tortured her brother in front of her for no reason whatsoever in broad daylight. They should be in prison, not her.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,542 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    A set of interviews with some Hamas leaders done by the Huffington Post.

    Hamas will not accept a peacekeeping force.

    Hamas claims that it was some other group doing the atrocities on 7 October (PLF or whoever).

    Lots of interesting observations.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hamas-gaza-biden-israel-interview_n_660c54c2e4b09f580bc5bcb2



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    But if you don't know stuff like that, clearly you don't know (are relying on Hamas propaganda) for the rest of your information.

    I don't know what your point is about the alleged slapping incident in this context - and I do know that a minor who was found guilty of attempted murder of a pregnant woman was among those released at the demand of Hamas, in exchange for women and children who were suspected of nothing except being Jewish. That's fact: the Israelis who were released in November were captured while at home or at a concert, doing no harm to anyone. The Palestinians who were released were all arrested, suspected or actually found guilty of various forms of violence.

    I'm sure some of those released were innocent, but that doesn't seem to have been a criterion Hamas were interested in, so unless you think they should not have been released until they'd been through a trial and been proven innocent, that's not relevant.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Amnesty internationals numerous reports on Palestinian prisoners in israeli jails are Hamas propaganda. Okay then

    I supposed the very detailed monthly un reports on the violence in west bank and gaza are Hamas propaganda too.

    Human rights watch must also be Hamas propaganda.

    I think you're the one falling for the propaganda if you keep going out on a limb to make baseless accusations



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Claims of antisemitism in this thread are mostly uninformed, baseless and nothing short of inflammatory.

    And it's coming from people who won't deal with the facts that are to hand of what's currently happening and don't want a discussion or can't construct a proper counterpoint. It's deflection. Smear people with a label, that'll learn them



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    I don't think you have the faintest idea what facism is. More hand washing for IDF crimes here .

    Ignorance of the 234 dead Palestinians at hands of IDF from Jan 1 to October 6th. Ignorance of decades of illegal settlements. Ignorance of 1000s imprisoned for no reason.

    Israel is no place to be banging on about liberalism



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,316 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    lol , if you cant understand the post why respond to it ?

    exactly the point , one opinion only , everything else shouted down and labeled something you think is offensive

    stinks of an inability to think for ones self



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,839 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Does that mean we can dismiss any sympathy for Israelis on Oct 7, because a tiny minority of then cheered on the IDF bombing Gaza in the past?

    It's amazing the hoops people jump through to either dismiss or just not care for 12,000+ children dead. My guess it's because they are Palestinian children. If they were Israeli children the same people would be screaming it's a genocide!

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,316 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    again missing the point,

    i dont care what you choose to think ,most normal people dont care either

    the point is the horrible group think that demands no other opinion is allowed and the vitriol that is used to enforce that mentality



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    The state of Israel and the IDF are murdering animals. Imagine if the US went into Afghanistan leveling towns and saying “collateral damage” every single time.

    Many Israelis, in how they view Palestinians, are no better than the hardline 1930s-40s German nazis in how they saw Jews and the disabled as subhuman. In fact, they are so similar they had to write it into their feckin rules we are all supposed to follow about what is and what is not antisemitism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,944 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    That's a poor point.

    The fact that more people see the horrors of what is happening in Gaza and the WB is not a reflection of them. It points more towards the inability of those who won't or can't see it.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    I absolutely understand the post. It's complete and utter nonsense though, like must of your posting on here. Here you are making baseless accusations and trying to say that people are trying to shut down conversation. He absolute irony of it all. Just another tactic

    If there's shouting down it's the accusations of antisemitism, the shouts of it's all Hamas propaganda, the ignoring of reports by independent agencies such as human rights watch, and amnesty, it's the accusations of supporting terrorism, now youre calling people fascist withkut havig a **** clue what that actually seems to mean. Then we've had "woke lefties", bangijg on about liberalism and liberals.

    None of this is actually trying to discuss what is currently happening in gaza. It's literally trying to shut down any comment about the 33,000 murders/deaths. We've constantly acknowledged what happened on October 7th but we have to acknowledge events surrounding it, leading up to it and the intertwined history of terrorim by both Hamas (and similar) and the state of Israel.

    Post edited by Weepsie on


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,316 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    lol

    saying you understand something then immediately proving that you don't. and commence the shout down

    its just wanting a echo chamber that will feed you people back the little ego boost that you seek. here is no discussion allowed no opinion or voice that contradicts the lies. example for the purpose of triggering ye , the many many videos of hamas activity in hospitals,

    now trigger away



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,839 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The many many videos?

    I recall one video on Oct 7th with a wounded hostage being brought to hospital with another hostage being dragged in.

    I also recall the 'raw' footage of the 'command center' under a hospital. The footage in question was edited so it didn't actually prove what it claimed.

    I also remember footage from a hospital basement which the IDF claimed hostages were held, you may remember the infamous calendar on the wall.

    Then there was footage of the tunnel entrance beside a hospital that turned out to be just an underground storage tank.

    Now remind me about the lies around hospitals?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    ah yeah, level the building sure, see that apartment block over there, a lad from hamas lived there if anyone asks - level it too. Dirty Palestinians.

    Post edited by thomas 123 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    They are beginning to panic now on Biden's re-election chances.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    They are indeed entitled to, but they can keep throwing out accusations of antisemitism that are based on either , a total misunderstanding of the word or just laziness.

    This new accusation of facism takes the biscuit too. People don't actually want to engage with what's occuring. They want to be stuck in a moment because it suits a specific narrative of one side good, other is evil and anti every thing



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,750 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    If you keep repeating it enough times, maybe you'll even start to believe it yourself



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,965 ✭✭✭circadian


    what a thread ,

    only one opinion allowed. anything else uninformed racism and dirty Jewish propaganda

    Citation needed.

    blatant racism anti Semitism and fascism rebranded as liberalism.

    Elaboration required, otherwise hyperbole. Citation needed.

    clear
    proof of lies misinformation and slimy half information drops ignored
    for the cause of social media virtue signaling and populism

    Evidence required.

    those
    who cry for the poor Palestinians ignore the footage of them cheering
    the returned hero's with their hostages and the blood of children and
    old people on the 7 th October and the support for their horrible cause.
    Source needed.

    allowing and protecting them when they use hospitals and UN facilities to run a terrorist army

    Evidence required.

    im sure there are innocent people dying but a lot of them died on the 7th October too

    Yes.

    perhaps
    escalating a huge war isnt the way to go when your best defense is to
    mobilize a obnoxious completely unself aware gormless leftists in Europe
    and America . the very same people who would be the victims of hamas
    terrorism for their liberal views

    What is a leftist exactly and what part do they have to play in a conflict 70+ years in the making?

    if they want an end to the war
    hamas can surrender and release the hostages that they haven't killed
    yet or he people of gaza can turn on them and with the support of the
    idf clean gasa of hamas.

    How exactly can the Gazans turn on Hamas? They are not armed and are in fact now starving as a result of an enforced Israeli famine. How many hostages have Hamas killed? How many hostages have the IDF killed?



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,944 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    And none of them, not one, ever mentions the thousands of innocent Palestinians who were killed. Maybe they think all Palestinians are Hamas?? We've heard that before.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    I especially like the claims of being leftist and fascist. Second time they've done it.

    The concept of left wing fascism was invented by actual fascists to try and soften people to their own bigoted views and as a concept has been largely ridiculed



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,232 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "Although a top IDF official said that this change had nothing to do with US pressure, the timing was unmistakable in coming right after the IDF’s disastrous mistaken killing of seven humanitarian aid workers last week."

    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-795724



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