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The Tipperary GAA Discussion Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Cahill has huge belief in Byrne. I could see how Byrne would work when he played against Galway - short passing game to runners and big physicality for anyone who dared to run through the middle. But the shape up front is killing us, not just up front but at the back too now because it's creating overlaps too handy. It needs to be addressed. I hope it's a case of not showing our hand...



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭farmerval


    Funny, I don't think we've shown our hand, I suspect (fervently hope) that the game plan in the championship will be different. The worst piece of our shape in the league and some of last year has been that we've tried to flood our half backline area, but the space that the opposition half backs have means it's easy to play around.

    I only saw the highlights from yesterday, but KK seemed to get their shape right, they could isolate an inside forward one on one, and pressure Limerick nearly everywhere else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Out in UL tonight, Tipperary u19 beat Clare in round 3 or 4 (think it's 4) of the u19 Development League. Beat Galway last week. Playing Limerick in the final.

    Under 20 footballers beat a very good Clare team on the weekend.



  • Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭carter10


    'assuming Cork beat Waterford' ah sure will we bother turning up at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    i am only going on league form , as you well know anything can change between now and then



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Cathal Quinn,
    Gearoid O’Connor,
    & Joe Caesar are on the 2024 Electric Ireland GAA Higher Education Hurling Rising Stars Team of the Year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,164 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Minor Hurling championship starts Thursday evening 7pm versus Cork in Semple Stadium.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Serious wins for the Tipp under 20 and minors footballers in the last few days. Great talent there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Paddico


    I fear Waterford might get their long overdue win against Tipp this Sunday in the SFC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,164 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Good win in rough enough conditions. Lot of nice hurlers in that team, will be interesting to see how they develop as the season goes along.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Tis very possible, especially given the absence of Seanie and now Creedon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,164 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    How close to a return is Sweeney?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    on the bench, but I’d heard he wasn’t close. So surprised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Paddico


    Add Russel and O'Brien into that mix.

    Also the 3 or 4 that could be playing but for what ever reasons, aren't or choosing not too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    nightmare for the ground staff. Bad time of year with games coming for that many shoes to be on the field

    https://x.com/smallerfishgaa/status/1776703504825929984?s=46



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    When a management set up doesn’t know how to play with a gale force wind … it doesn’t look good



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭KClon11


    They haven’t a clue



  • Registered Users Posts: 676 ✭✭✭supernova5


    some fall from grace in 3 and a half years, are ye sending out under sixteens to represent the senior team?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    am I right in saying that the Manger that Football Board picked was not good enough. Need a new management and football board?
    They should get in the commericals board and get them to do a root and branch review.

    They kept Waterford to one point in the first half? And can’t manage a win from there?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101





    2020 Munster champions
    1 Evan Comerford
    2 Colm O'Shaughnessy
    3 Alan Campbell
    4 Jimmy Feehan
    5 Bill Maher
    6 Kevin Fahey
    7 Robbie Kiely
    8 Steven O'Brien
    9 Liam Casey
    10 Brian Fox
    11 Michael Quinlivan
    19 Colin O'Riordan
    13 Colman Kennedy
    14 Conor Sweeney (c)
    15 Conal Kennedy
    Substitutes:
    26 Liam Boland for Colman Kennedy (51 mins)
    21 Paudie Feehan for K. Fahey (54 mins)
    12 Emmett Moloney for B. Fox (61 mins)
    20 Pádraic Looram for R. Kiely (63 mins)
    23 Philip Austin for L. Casey (71 mins)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    How right you were Pad. As a Waterford man I couldnt see it happening even though Waterford were at home and how poor Tipp have been going. We've had an absolutely lousy league(hammerings more than losses) and there are 7 or 8 better footballers sitting at home who didnt commit this year for various reasons. Having said that its nice to get a win even though its more down to Tipp not being at it. I think we'll get a proper beating from Clare next day out, and that's just being honest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭KClon11




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Paddico


    Very disappointing for the Tipp lads, still in shock myself but well done Waterford. Its been coming.

    Time to get rid the that management team and re-start



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    Shelly and Hogan is no difference at all so wont make any improvement, Cahill has as much as admitted the same with his reluctance to pick one and stick with them, unfair on both keepers to be fair, a keeper needs to have the full trust of his manager.

    Barrett and Kehoe are the only other two likely starters, and from what I hear the former is unlikely.

    McGraths are max 20 min men at this stage. Tynan may start at a push. Cadell is one sided and weak, kennedy is out for the year and Seymour has never played senior hurling for Tipp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,164 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Hogan is conservative on puck outs. Shelly is the opposite of conservative. Huge difference. Shelly can put a long range free over the bar - another difference.

    I must have been seeing things when Seymour played against Galway, Antrim, and Westmeath.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    U20 Munster Hurling Championship game v Limerick this Friday moved from the Gaelic Grounds to Mick Neville Park. Throw in remains 7pm. Some **** show. Sly enough to move the match to where they train though 🤣

    Football team for Wednesday.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Munster Minor Football Championship
    Full Time Tipperary: 1-14(17)
    Waterford: 0-9(9)

    Great win for the minors. Looked like Waterford were gonna do us again mid way through the second half. Tipp had built up a big lead but Waterford brought it back to a point before Tipp found a another gear again.

    First time ever a Durlas Og player is playing minor with Tipp this year. North board would want to get up off their arses now and provide opportunities for lads and girls to play football.

    Sour taste leaving though as several boys training tops were stolen from the dressing room. Unique tops which only this squad have. Bad form.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    It was in reply to the silly post suggesting that Tipp had 'at least' 6 to 8 players to come back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    I honestly don't see any difference in both keepers puck outs, seen a fair few of Shelly's going out over the sideline if that's classed as the opposite of conservative great! Hogan has also scored many frees for his club, Shelly has scored 2 pts in 13 appearances for tipp, I don't think its a deciding factor, there is nothing between the two.

    I meant Championship which is fairly clear to anyone reading the context of the post and the one I was replying to. So are you trying to tell me that Seymour will start against Limerick cos that's what the post I replied to was suggesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    Prove me wrong, name the 15 that will start against Limerick including 'at least 6 to 8' players that didn't play against Clare in the league semi final.

    And no we are not flying it, we are rubbish, if Colm Bonner had have been over that Semi Final performance the knives would have been out but for some reason Bevan and Cahill seem to walk on water, we are no further on that where we were two years in, that is a fact!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    we’re not two years in. Haven’t even started the second championship. 40 players played in the league. Good structures put in place. A good job is being done.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Ballers86


    Considering they are under pressure to have the Gaelic Ground's ready for senior championship makes total sense to move it. Their u20s from what I'm aware are doing most of their training in UL North Campus as academy have office kitted out with all equipment for GPS trackers and other equipment in there. Footballers do all their training in Rathkeale.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    I heard there was a drainage pipe put down the length of the side of the mackey stand and the field is still fairly water logged. And the grass is struggling to grow back where the pipe was laid down…

    There's still a lot of rain forecast for the next week… we're due a dry spell so it should be alright.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Good win for the minors. It's a young team and squad, a lot underage again against next year. Waterford made a comeback but every time they got within a goal, Tipp were able to get the points to keep them at bay.

    The under 20 side are the same, at least ten of the under 20 team and most of the squad are underage against next year. They're good hurlers but might have to be patient with them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 658 ✭✭✭CorkFenian


    Thurles Gaels you mean which is great as well…..Yes plenty of Durlas Og\Sarsfields players have done it over the years…..Also guys from Thurles Kickhams (club before Gaels amalgamated) played minor as well…….Its a real shame with football in Thurles,Durlas Og put 32 points on Commercials 2 years ago in U15 county semi, then put 15 pts on Arravale Rovers in the final, that Durlas Og team was exceptional, won the u15 Feile na nGael A hurling and did well in the Feile Peile as well that year

    If Thurles even took it 10% seriously they would be contesting Senior titles, they just don't care which is a sad thing to see (they actually go out of their way not to compete) Paudie Maher won two football county minor A titles with Sarsfields for instance and they see football as a big distraction, ignoring the team building and fitness benefits, hurling will always be number one in Thurles, but they could at least look at a decent dual alternative look at Loughmore only a few miles away on the best way to do it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101




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  • Registered Users Posts: 658 ✭✭✭CorkFenian


    Guys like Mark Sheahan, Kevin Coonan in the past were brilliant, I remember Robbie Tomlinson underage as well , Mid and North Tipp are full of very good footballers who are above average hurlers but not county players, in this age of data and sports science Tipperary should be managing all this much better. Only 15-30 can be in the Tipperary panel, 24-25 on matchday.

    There are guys who are literally wasting their career trying to play senior hurling for Tipperary, (its their choice and thats fair enough but it never works out, Steven O'Brien for instance being a prime example) the lack of overall management and the non dual playing minor status is a big reason why last Sunday happened in Waterford, 5 years ago we were literally within a kick of a ball of Division 1 football, I think we had to draw with Meath etc open to correction here, Thurles Sarsfields is the biggest culprit, perennial underachivement with hurling when you see the players Durlas Og give them, fantastic playing base. Should have won more countys, Munster AI in the past, just amateur hour at that club throughout unfortunately.

    Regarding county football,minor All Ireland win and appearing again, beating Cork and Kerry underage regularly since 2010 to time of the dual change , beating Kerry in Tralee for instance in U-21 (how many counties in Ireland could do that) . All of that momentum has been lost and will affect ability to get a decent coach in there. I suspect a lot of "hurling" people are delighted and the county board as they won't have to pay for anything etc

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    I think it's a little more complicated than that. Management have a lot to answer for last Saturday. Heard they told the players after the game to take a two week break. Players told them no, we've too much to work on. So, no break. Manager has only managed club before. Not to mention, a lot of good players are injured atm. Creedon, probably the best football find this year, was dropped for discipline issues again (not his first rodeo - needs to wake up).

    There's been a huge investment in the senior football panel this year. The football panel is bigger than the hurling panel. A lot of young players brought in, over 40 players getting inter county S&C this year and that will continue. O'Brien is a great S&C appointment. They got him before they got the manager. Plenty of good work at underage going on too.

    But yes, way more needs to be done in Thurles and up North. Loughmore and JK Brackens model would be one to follow. That said, both Thurles and Nenagh is big enough to have two separate panels. No excuse really.



  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭hero25


    not so sure re how young they are…. including the 5 subs last night, i think 3 of the 20 played are underage next year



  • Registered Users Posts: 658 ✭✭✭CorkFenian


    Thats my opinion,we'll have to agree to disagree, its not that complicated overall, if O'Brien and Connors were fit last week they would have won. But overall for a long time Tipperary were playing the best teams consistently in the country, Cork\Kerry, Clonmel High school reached Corn Ui Mhúiri in last 10 years as well which was incredible.I remember in the last 10 years Tipp won u-14 and u16 Munster against Cork and Kerry. Now in Munster they are in a pool with the weaker counties, the expectations aren't there I was at the Tipp minor football match vs Cork last year and if they had dual players they would have won in my opinion. There are always 5-6 guys who excel and could easily play both with minimal football training, (tapering of training and the guys in the football panel would go with it too, everyone wants the best guys to play) it could be managed really well especially with how sports science has evolved in last 20 years.

    They have a training pool of more players how much does that cost I'll bet you anything very little in the grand scheme of things. Tipp hurling is killing football when it doesnt have to, Tipp should consistently be a top 10-15 gaelic football county with standout teams every 5-10 years, county its big enough, it requires root and branch changes in Mid and North Tipp, standalone football clubs, Thurles Sarsfields may as well give teams a walkover and not bother participating the amount of work they put it into it, crazy stuff really when you consider its all GAA. In Thurles you hear guffaws like "Every football should be burst" its really dark ages stuff and that filters down to kids playing when they see that the best players aren't playing football.

    On a managers note John Evans, Liam Kearns (RIP) compared to current guy, a million miles away would be better off getting some homegrown coaches in.

    We reach and lose 2 All Ireland minor finals (which most counties would kill for) and it all changes, ridiculous decision…And one having a serious impact now.

    Anyone playing for Tipp hurling teams at any grade expects to win, that drive is sorely missing from these Tipp underage football teams.5-6 of them in playing on merit transforms everything and makes the other football panelists better at the same time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    At least 7 of the panel played under 15 last year alone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Big squads are big money.

    Yes, there is a drop off of dual players come minor. But plenty play both up to under 14, 15, and 16. There's more players/teams being developed now and competitions so hopefully that will change. The pick will become bigger over the next few years.

    There is good work being done but it will take time. The most disappointing thing is the amount of players who bolted after getting a munster medal in 2020. But they can't be blamed either.

    The right managerial appointments is key going forward.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 658 ✭✭✭CorkFenian


    Drop off in dual players was policy after those two minor All Irelands reached, football was blamed for the hurling loss and they were allowed to get away with it. Which was absolutely crazy at the time and has effectively prevented almost a generation of players progressing once they were gone Quinlivan, Bill Maher, no ready made replacements.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Doubt it. It's just not feasible to train for and play both at minor while preparing or doing a LC. Numbers are there for separate squads. Dual player at inter county from minor up is gone



  • Registered Users Posts: 658 ✭✭✭CorkFenian


    See quotes above on player\time management with the improvements in sports science. Its possible if done smartly. Whatever about after minor thats a different story. But it can definitely work up to minor with smart management and a whole different attitude, it brought us to All Ireland minor finals in 2016. Just 8 years ago

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    ah well that’s already happening.. plenty of overlap of players all” the way up to u15 and u16. Plenty of the better players for the minors and 20s played hurling too



  • Registered Users Posts: 658 ✭✭✭CorkFenian


    Not the case with minors since 2016 which is really the point I'm making :)

    From chatting to friends who have had kids playing minor past few years, I'm not hearing much about clever management involving dual players, the precedent was set and football blamed for the hurling loss, nuts behaviour



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