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The Great House Revival

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I think this couple allowed their hearts to rule their heads. It's was a beautiful house and could be fabulous again, but they don't have the budget to do the house justice.

    Sadly I can't see it being a success as a b and b either which was their intention at the start. No wow or comfort factor at all.

    I admire his determination but he didn't do a great job due to budget and time constraints. Deep down I think the wife regretted ever starting it - her face said alot without words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭harr


    Is it not a done thing in Ireland to get an engineers report completed before investing huge money in a house ?

    Both on last weeks show ( no foundation) and this week huge structural issues were discovered.. i purchased a modest 3 bed semi many years ago and got an engineer’s report .. when purchasing our new build we looked at one other and engineer found serious problems saving us huge financial loss.. it just seems odd when buying especially an older house not to get it looked over ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,193 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Anyone able to summarise the history of him and the house? Missed the begining.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,439 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    It was his childhood home. His mum ran a b&b from it.

    She has since died and the "wider family" put it up for auction. They bought it at auction.

    How it went from a functioning business to a complete wreck was never explained. I suspect there's family drama there!

    I suppose when you are buying a family home you feel like you "know" the property and what and where needs work. Him being an engineer may have thought he had a good handle on it, so didn't need an engineer's report (in his mind)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,193 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    How it went from a functioning business to a complete wreck was never explained. I suspect there's family drama there!

    From experience, a lot of houses and businesses operate from buildings like that.
    As long as there is heat and occupation they can function away, with potentially serious problems treated superficially and superficial problems masked with paint and wallpaper.

    Leave them vacant/unheated for a winter cycle or two and the deterioration can be rapid and stark.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,439 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Yeah I suspect band aids were applied to gaping wounds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    Once again the opening episode just set the bar too high for possibly the rest of the series. I don't understand how the man in this episode had to buy his childhood family home at auction (correct me if I'm wrong). He seemed to me to have spent a year arsing about the house doing bits and pieces. I know nothing about house restorations and I can imagine things come up as you get into it but he didn't seem to have a plan in place for what to do. Maybe it was just the editing but it was like a door here, a window there, pull down more rotten woodwork, dither over the bay window for months. He spent time and effort restoring the oratory which was a great find BTW but should have been at the bottom of his to-do list. In the end it was very clear that there was a rush to pull together some semblance of a house, the paintwork was atrocious! There was no heating on in the house.

    Neither Hugh nor the homeowners were honest in the discussions at the end of the show which was disappointing. It was all, everything is grand, it will work out, etc. As another poster said here - they have rose tinted glasses on because it was his childhood home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,439 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I'd say there was a family dispute, which is why it went to auction instead of getting 2 or 3 valuations and averaging the market value and selling at that price to your family member. Unless you thought the market price was too high and you were willing to take your chances at auction for a lower price.

    He took a year off work, so down a year's salary for him to basically potter about in a giant man cave. While the wife was run ragged keeping the show on the road.

    On each update visit there was no task or room complete. No sense of direction, absolutely bonkers!

    Did they even have a skip as it looked like he dumped everything into the courtyard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭phormium


    A quick bit of googling shows me mother died in 2009 having been sick for 4 yrs, father died in 2013, obviously house unlived in since then. 5 kids in family so maybe will maybe not but either way probably 5 way split. Be hard to agree on a price and especially if some thought going to auction was best bet, there is always the possibility a developer would snap it up on one acre for multiple properties so could see why beneficiaries wanted to get best for all or most of them!

    It seems to have gone on sale at 275k reserve but obviously went higher at auction because probably some developer was interested, who knows! Either way he let his heart rule his head, they do not have the funds to do what is needed to a house like that and you'd be a long time getting it to the level of comfort needed for B&B with today's standards that guests expect.

    Was in something of a similar situation many years ago with family business being sold, I would have liked to keep it but best price was needed so went up for general sale. In hindsight I am of course better off without it as it was sentiment rather than sense!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,898 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    A complete wreck, thats a bit harsh, it didnt look too bad to me .

    The roof wasnt too bad, and most of the damage was from water ingress, well from what I could see.

    A hole in a roof in this hell hole of a climate can cause huge damage in a short spell.

    He spent time and effort restoring the oratory which was a great find
    BTW but should have been at the bottom of his to-do list. In the end it
    was very clear that there was a rush to pull together some semblance of a
    house, the paintwork was atrocious! There was no heating on in the
    house.

    Agreed, the main priority should have been to get the roof repaired so no more damage was done and get 4-5 rooms livable so the family can move in.

    A sitting room, kitchen, 2-3 bedroos and a bathroom.

    They could then sell the other house they have.

    They sadly bit off more than they could chew, a big job like that was always money demanding but I'm not sure projects like that are economically viable in todays climate where building costs have increased so much.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭thereiver


    It was obvious the house was empty for years before they bought it roof in bad condition dry rot in the walls and floors they finished a few rooms I presume the plan is to do a few rooms every year it's a massive house he's doing most of the work only employing professionals to do specific jobs maybe the mother did not make a will before she passed away it'll be cold with old single pane windows only allowed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Hes skilled enough to do most of the work himself you can save a lot by buying doors windows materials on done deal maybe they could go back in 3 years time I think hugh said it'll cost 600k plus to finish the house if he was to employ carpenters painters etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,178 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    What a money pit! The only room finished was the chapel. That’s so they can all go in there and pray for a lottery win or some other divine intervention, probably on a daily basis. .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    The amount of work that man did on the house was unreal. I'd say its freezing though; even the effort in making good the bay window. Hope they feel its worth it, he's more or less missed 2 years of his kids - each to their own and that but not worth it imho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    He did some amount of work for less than 150k (I think he said only 75% of that original budget spent?)

    Priorities all over the shop though. Should have spent on the steels for bay window and done roof first thing, make structure good before you go sanding doors and doing some gardening!

    The parts of the house that were done looked well though, not a white wall or floor to ceiling window pane in sight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭phormium


    Not worth it for sentiment I think, I'd say the rest of family were probably trying to do him a favour sending it for auction knowing the amount of work and money it would take to renovate and knowing he didn't have the funds. They probably assumed he wouldn't keep bidding when it was going too high, but he did!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,439 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    He took a year off work. Unless he has an extremely generous employer that's a year salary gone.

    He's an engineer, I remember the starting rate for engineers straight from college (yes I'm aware there's different disciplines in engineering) and it was eye watering 20 yrs ago, so I imagine him with decades of experience is on a fairly decent wage.

    I know you get the buzz from doing it yourself but when I look at a task I think "this is going to take me X amount of time, I earn X amount per hour, if I get someone in to do it the bill will be X amount" unless I'm saving a massive amount of money I'd probably leave it to the professionals and let them have the headache.

    So when you take his loss of earnings into account I wonder how much he actually saved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,898 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Engineers on eye watering money 20 years ago, ah no, not in this world.

    So when you take his loss of earnings into account I wonder how much he actually saved.

    Might not be much loss of earnings considering mr taxman is likely taking half his salary anyway, and with him not working his wife can use the full tax allowance.

    Tax in Ireland is draconian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    Is he though? I don’t think he really had a clue but unfortunately convinced his wife he knew what he was doing. Then couldn’t tell her he had no idea. He’s an agricultural engineer whatever that is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭raspberrypi67


    They seem to have their priorities wrong if you ask me… Then there he is out doing the garden and some stage, I mean wtf….

    This episode really bugged the f out of me. Its like RTE missed a crucial part of the edit as it suddenly went from a house ready to cave in to 6 rooms including a ridiculous Chapel, why not convert that…??? No heating put in either which I thought was a BIG oversight. Did I miss a part. I mean hat off to the guy , I wish I had his energy but did they bring in the army to finish some of the rooms ??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭raspberrypi67


    Couldn't believe the gardening bit…Fair play to him but he looked at the end of the program as if he'd been off on holiday for a few weeks, well rested….I wonder though did he address half the problems, the place was rotten to the core……Mad Ted…!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭harr


    just because he is an engineer doesn’t mean he can rebuild a house , he is really only continuing patching up the problems.. when you take loss of earnings into account the cost will be a lot more than 150,000 .. I am sure he had to return to work At some point so looking at a few hours here and there and weekends .. I just can’t see him being able to get it anyway right when doing it himself..

    Why get one room done professionally at a time .. save .. get one room finished and carry on that way at least house will be livable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I think he mentioned at the start he fixes machines - a mechanical engineer so really knows very little about buildings. His approach was very DIY, no programme of works, no plan. His approach was all over the place - a guy that likes DIY but took on too much. Not putting under floor heating in was a huge mistake. I laughed at the end when he said the house didnt need underfloor heating or double glazed windows. He could very well end up living there all by himself because wife and kids wont move into the ice box that they cant afford to heat. I get the emotional attachment but they cant afford that house sadly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭thereiver


    I don't think he,d be allowed to put in standard pvc windows he can work weekends and holidays he has plenty of energy it'll maybe take him 4 years to finish the rooms he ,LL have to put in heating radiotors if he intends to rent out rooms for b and b customers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    I believe he said that quotes for restoring(?) windows for the house were close to 70k

    That alone would have certainly been more than his years income after tax

    Hiring people to fit the steel, or replace rotten timber floors would have easily eclipsed his post-tax earnings for the year.

    The fact that hes married means the wife can use his tax credits during his year out of work also. Definitely works out better financially to do it yourself on a project like this, the loss of earnings are completely mitigated by the savings.

    The big issue is that the budget simply wasn't big enough regardless of the amount of DIY to get the house fixed up in a timely fashion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,691 ✭✭✭dubrov


    I'd largely agree with you but you need to factor in tax/PRSI. I might have to earn an extra 50k to end up in the same position as saving 25k in work. For the lower skilled stuff, you are also more likely to do the job right as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,439 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Well it's more when it's mentioned that he only spent X amount of the budget.....well no he's also down his salary.

    Also paying ( one would assume) 2 mortgages.

    I'm not even sure what he finished and what was staged.

    I do think he was trying to be Dick Strawbridge, but even Dick has his "builder mate Steve" .

    I do think fair play to him but I feel for the wife as she looked thoroughly fed up. You could see their breath when talking so the house must be Baltic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    You'd have to wonder about these people using friends and family 'calling in favours'; these 'favours' must have a cost to the friends and family. Like for the couple in Churchtown CO. Cork; fair enough if her mother was happy to spend her weekends wallpapering. They got a digger as a loan 'for free' but whomever lent it to them might have bore the cost.

    In the Mayfield, Wexford one was the local Firefighter who was his friend happy to give up his spare time to be lifting heavy beams. Like the homeowner had just spent nearly half a million € on a wreck of a house and was calling in favours.

    I sound 'scabby' here, but I remember my Father (who worked as a Telecoms Engineer) being constantly asked to do bits of jobs for family and friends such as wire in an extra phone, especially by my Mothers family (all of whom were farmers); he got sick of it and had to tell them in the end that when visiting on a Sunday afternoon he was on his weekend off and wasn't prepared to give that time up so they could get a job done for nothing. He did help re-wire my first house but would have considered that 'different' given I am his daughter etc.

    Maybe its just me but I'd wonder about all the 'free' help these people get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,193 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Kinda subjective though and case specific if you don't mind me saying.
    Some people will do it and others won't.
    You don't know what this man has done for others in his time either.

    There are people I'd move heaven and earth for and others not so much.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    totally don't mind you saying, and agree that its nice to be nice and help out etc. Not everything comes down to money. I too would be the first to offer a hand to a neighbour or friend.

    However, still making the point that 'favours' may have a direct or indirect cost for others



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