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Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

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  • #722
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996029#Comment_121996029

    Not sure we'll never get to the 1200 mark. We've already passed 700 this year when a couple of years ago 400 was the gold standard.



  • #723
    creedp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,799 ✭✭✭creedp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121995711#Comment_121995711

    Much prefer to be driving a manual 911 but unfortunately reality is cruel😄 I fully agree with your final point and as I've said plenty of times, EVs meet a lot of people's (5 seat) car needs at this point as long as they have home charging. The rest is perception and wants which of course differsfor everyone

    On the pollution point mentioned earlier I agree and I am always bemused to see diesel Polos, Fiestas, i20s etc being driven around urban areas, even by older people who will rarely trqvel outside thier own neighbourhood. What happened again in 2008? Did that ground breaking climate change policy take childrens health into account I wonder?

    In reality if diesel cars were cheaper to buy /run they'd be a lot less Evs on the road, irrespective of peoples concerns about their children's health. Welcome to the self centred human race



  • #724
    creedp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,799 ✭✭✭creedp


    @Flinty997 I am not trying to persuade you otherwise.

    Yes the Leaf is one boring car to drive especially if you are at Leaf speed and watching the range dwindle into the danger zone, which is a monotonously regular occurrence for me. Just completed a 60km return journey, started off with 93% SOC and arrived back with 17% and didnt exceed 80kph at any stage of journey even on 100kph national roads. Mind numbingly boring



  • #725
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996115#Comment_121996115

    Get a better EV doesn't have to be new.



  • #726
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121995946#Comment_121995946

    On reflection. They used the EV (ID7) like ICE car. That's not a criticism of the lads just an observation.

    Its like trying to get your iPhone to last as long as non smart Nokia from 2000.

    I guess the argument is they are pandering to the ICE mindset. Who have no experience of EVs. Because that's mostly the audience for that video. But I'm not sure that's useful.

    Any body with experience with EVs will have a different mindset when watching that video.

    Great content from the lads. Even if we don't always agree with them. Easier to follow Bob with subtitles at times. But knocking it out of the park with their content.



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  • #727
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996115#Comment_121996115

    The early Leafs are 1st generation product. The world has moved on. If the range no longer works for you its time to move on. If you want to save money, anything with CSS charging to 40~50kw and a modern battery, low mileage Ionic, I3, eGolf, eUP, Mini would be a night and day different for not much money. Many will say spend more skip that generation and get into something with an even newer and bigger battery. Must faster charging and range. But then its higher budget.

    I think the value in used EV's is being drowned out by those buying new EVs.



  • #728
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996099#Comment_121996099

    The world focused on CO2 and forgot about all the other emissions and they didn't consider the impact Govt policies like cheaper tax would have on the car demographics. Leading to disproportionate number of diesels in urban environments and the corresponding detrimental effect it had on urban air quality.

    We learn from making mistakes.



  • #729
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What this video really highlighted for me is that how small this island is and how badly .*ESB.* have dropped the ball. The three chargers between Lahinch and Killarney is comedy gold. 50 kWh SPOFs scattered around was ok back in 2014 but not in 2024.

    But despair not, a proper CCS network is under construction already and now that the other branch of the .*ESB.* have figured out how to build the substations quicker than 2 years it will be just a question of time when this country will join the other developed countries with a sane EV charging network.

    After that nothing will stop EVs being as useful here as they have been for years, based on my own exprience, everywhere else in Western Europe. 2021 was when we bought our first long range EV with CCS and cross continent trips have been just piece of cake, while trips to Kerry and Donegal have required planning.



  • #730
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Quite the black spot. Seems the most viable route (for chargers) is via a long detour through Limerick. If you have smaller battery.



  • #731
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,813 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996302#Comment_121996302

    What are the details on this new CCS network from the ESB?

    Any maps to where chargers are being installed?



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  • #732
    creedp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,799 ✭✭✭creedp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996255#Comment_121996255

    I know but they (and the equivalent Fluence) are still being strongly advocated on here and elsewhere as cheap entry points to EV ownership. I think its important to highlight the caveats as the early Leafs (up to 2017) while being cheap are very compromised cars and only really have a narrow use case, i.e. one way daily commute of 20-40km (or aggregate daily travel of 40-80km) in the winter. Beyond that they are a pita and will require top ups during the day to cover your daily needs. As you say buyer beware.



  • #733
    creedp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,799 ✭✭✭creedp


    Exactly knee jerk Govt policy often cause more harm than good but good for the social media likes. Deal with the consequences after the next election



  • #734
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996538#Comment_121996538

    The next likely burst of charging infrastructure we'll see comes from the TII funded E road scheme. It won't all be eCars (1 org can only obtain 40% of the funding). Here's the map of where is eligible for funding. The infra needs to active by December of 2025.

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  • #735
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I would put the Fluence on a par with the early leaf but for different reasons.



  • #736
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996538#Comment_121996538

    The network will be built by Tesla who currently have 7 sites in Ireland, 2 open to everybody. 13 locations are currently planned for island of Ireland by end of 2025. And another 15 by end of 2026. It will be CCS only and the first 3 are expected to happen already in '24 with multiple units per site. It's not currently known if all of them will be publicly available.



  • #737
    electricus
    Registered Users Posts: 525 ✭✭✭electricus


    There’s a 50kW EasyGo charger not too far away (from Lahinch) in Miltown Malbay and a few AC points around there too including the hotel at Spanish Point.

    As a major tourist route, the Wild Atlantic Way should be prioritised for more charging points, high speed as well as destination charging at attractions like the cliffs of Moher.



  • #738
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996637#Comment_121996637

    Definitely



  • #739
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996627#Comment_121996627

    It will be built by a number of operators, any one CPO can only take on 40% of the available funding. I suspect we'll see a mix of Tesla, Applegreen, Maxol, and CircleK. Given the siting requirements we might not see eCars get any funding from this round.

    The stars from the map really show how concentrated our high power charging hubs are.



  • #740
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996654#Comment_121996654

    I've almost given up on the non-Tesla networks for time being. As SuC roadmap lists 13 new sites by end of 2025 I feel like that will be, in my user case, enough to drive everywhere both in Ireland and in Europe, and that network being easy to use without having to carry all the other apps and tags and priced fairly compared to the competition. So pretty much voting with my feet.



  • #741
    crl84
    Registered Users Posts: 967 ✭✭✭crl84


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121997882#Comment_121997882

    Tesla have said plenty of things about future sites/upgrades in the last few years, and have not come to pass, so I'll believe these 13 new sites in the next 18months when I see them.



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  • #742
    Firblog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭Firblog


    As is usual in all 'national' infrastructure being built in Ireland, not much above the Galway - Dublin line..



  • #743
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121999318#Comment_121999318

    Yeah. Or west of the Cork - Galway line. Very disappointing.



  • #744
    McGiver
    Registered Users Posts: 4,449 ✭✭✭McGiver


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121999839#Comment_121999839

    Maybe because of the very low population density in these places?



  • #745
    McGiver
    Registered Users Posts: 4,449 ✭✭✭McGiver


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996302#Comment_121996302

    Don't believe it. Only when I see it.

    Meanwhile in Lithuania…2500 UFC will be built on area only as large as Ireland, half of the population albeit double the motorway network length.

    Let that sink in. 1000s of chargers.

    What's the target number for ESB?

    https://www.eib.org/en/press/all/2024-025-investeu-eib-signs-eur40-million-loan-with-eldrive-to-expand-electric-vehicle-charging-networks-in-bulgaria-lithuania-and-romania#:~:text=Eldrive%20Holding%20is%20a%20leading,future%20growth%20and%20international%20expansion.



  • #746
    McGiver
    Registered Users Posts: 4,449 ✭✭✭McGiver


    Cliffs of Moher, national "monument" of Ireland, huge tourist attraction, has exactly ZERO chargers within 10 km radius. It's a joke. The government has no strategy, no drive and no goals, unfortunately. They don't have to build it (I think government shouldn't do business) but they should enable others to come and build. Other words - regulate and legislate.



  • #747
    MarkN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,207 ✭✭✭MarkN


    Not the way of looking at it in terms of population density. It’s a source of fuel and as such should be plentiful.



  • #748
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121999318#Comment_121999318

    The AFIR regulations require a minimum level of infra on the core network by the 31st of December 2025, 50% of the comprehensive network by 31st of December 2027, and full coverage by 31st of December 2030.

    There are no core network ten-t roads above the Dublin-Galway line. The 2nd set of roads also have a lower charging pool requirement (300kW per direction instead of 600kW) so would likely be delivered via different tender.

    TL/DR The reason the national infrastructure isn't being built above the Galway/Dublin line, it's not national infrastructure it's an EU regulation, with varying requirements based on TEN-T road type.

    Post edited by liamog on


  • #749
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122000083#Comment_122000083

    To add to that, it's also a route.



  • #750
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,117 ✭✭✭✭josip


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122000079#Comment_122000079

    I suppose the cliffs are the only thing within 10km, so no charger there or within 10km is pretty much the same thing.

    What kind of charger could the electrical infrastructure there support and would make sense? 50kW or a few 11kW A/Cs ?

    A/Cs would probably get stolen in that location.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/kQTqyTW3A1bSLmKN7

    https://openinframap.org/#12/52.96317/-9.38452



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  • #751
    McGiver
    Registered Users Posts: 4,449 ✭✭✭McGiver


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122000237#Comment_122000237

    Basic approach - banks of cheap simple AC chargers everywhere near monuments, places of interest, tourist attractions...



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