Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Anders Breivik is a Christian isn’t he?

Aren’t the churches raping their way across Europe?

Perhaps bigotry against Christians is warranted given such bigoted turnabout

Or we can just acknowledge the folly of bigotry.

By the same metric, if the Nazis were committing genocide of jewish people in the 40's, they did a "really bad job" of it.

Feel free to pro-rate the number of jews killed per Axis soldier per month of that conflict and the number of Palestinians killed per IDF solder per months over the last 6 months. Then compare those rates.

I anticipate you'll change your mind about "doing a really bad job at it" being some sort of metric as regards genocide.

Methinks you didn't think your polemic through before parroting it from somewhere else.

I hope the Palestinian Authority is suing Israel for the cost of rebuilding.

So America is complicit in genocide, in your view? Both main parties?

Shouldn't they be declared a rogue state then?

Also: there's a border crossing with Egypt. The Egyptians have massively increased the fees and bribes needed to cross there. Aren't they therefore also complicit in genocide, and why are no pro Palestinian groups anywhere protesting that?

I think you may need to read up on the definition of genocide. There's not a red line figure or percentage where once crossed it becomes a genocide. But entertain me, what % or figure of civilian deaths would you class as a genocide?

Hamas do include fighter deaths in the total count (as they always have previously) however they also seperate women and children deaths.

Your whole post stinks of holocaust denial.

No, not really, it's been hundreds of years since we stopped taking the bible literally. From this point of view alone we are hundreds of years ahead (or they are hundreds of years behind). Also, the old testament was superseded in many aspects by the new testament and the new covenant. And the ultimate Christian religious prophet is a peaceful carpenter, not a warmongering pedophile. Also look at me, a baptized atheist, still alive, no punishment whatsoever for renouncing my religion.

Who is the "we" you speak of? Are you Jewish?

Netanyahu was most definitely quoting it from the start.

Saying that Irish (catholics or otherwise) don't follow the old testament literally has no relevance to my point (even if you think it proves something somehow)

Who went into a Church and cut a priests head off, who stabs babies in their prams, who stabs kids outside their school, who drives trucks into crowds, who cuts gay people’s heads off? These things are happening in Europe and it’s not Jewish people doing it.

Netanyahu is a right wing religious extremist who should be in prison.

However that doesn't change the fact that there is a strong secular component to Israeli life. There's nothing equivalent in any Islamic majority country: Turkey used to be nominally secular but Erdogan has put an end to that - unless or until he finally loses power. I won't be holding my breath though.

And around the region of Israel and the ME, there are no other countries where open atheism is socially acceptable in the way that it is in Israel. Just as there are no other democracies. Those two facts may well be connected.

So all Israelis are responsible for Netanyahu are they? Even though many of them had attended multiple public protests against him in the months before the October attack?

Meanwhile the people of Gaza, who cheered when the near-naked, mutilated corpse of a young woman who had simply been at a concert, was paraded through Gaza, are all innocent unless individually proven guilty.

Okay got that.

Ah sure maybe the are "just following orders"

You do know the guy is an Arab Israeli, right? So, probably not a Zionist, and definitely not Jewish.

Whoopsies. What was your point again?

It certainly is ridiculous. Of course he "doesn't count" as a violent Jew and/or Zionist when he's neither of those things. That was literally your claim before.

You're desperately searching the internet (and failing) to find random "zionists" murdering people in the west to compare to Islamist extremists in Spain, France, Germany, Belgium, India, and plenty of other countries, so you're reduced to one ultra orthodox crazy in Jerusalem.

Wait, I forgot the UK as well. And Canada. How many Jews have you found to "counterbalance" this? (And remember, it was your claim that Netanyahu is somehow = all Israelis, not mine.)

And then there's all the non western countries where westerners were targeted too: Bali, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Sri Lanka - of course often with a massive local death toll too - but hey what do the terrorists care about that when they themselves are going to be getting 72 virgins.

Listen, what is the point in persisting with this? A claim was made that Islam, and people who follow it, is backwards. It was pointed out that Israelis very recently used Old Testament biblical stories of genocide to encourage and excuse modern genocide. And your rebuttal to that is "well Christians don't really follow the Old Testament" ……..

Simple question - do you think Judaism is backwards for citing Old Testament standards of morality when it comes to perpetuating genocide?

I mean if Russia cited the examples of the Mongols or Vlad the Impaler to justify what it did in Ukraine you'd probably dismiss it fairly lively. But Israelis citing "morals" from thousands of years earlier is grand.