Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

No, not really, it's been hundreds of years since we stopped taking the bible literally. From this point of view alone we are hundreds of years ahead (or they are hundreds of years behind). Also, the old testament was superseded in many aspects by the new testament and the new covenant. And the ultimate Christian religious prophet is a peaceful carpenter, not a warmongering pedophile. Also look at me, a baptized atheist, still alive, no punishment whatsoever for renouncing my religion.

Who is the "we" you speak of? Are you Jewish?

Netanyahu was most definitely quoting it from the start.

Saying that Irish (catholics or otherwise) don't follow the old testament literally has no relevance to my point (even if you think it proves something somehow)

Who went into a Church and cut a priests head off, who stabs babies in their prams, who stabs kids outside their school, who drives trucks into crowds, who cuts gay people’s heads off? These things are happening in Europe and it’s not Jewish people doing it.

Netanyahu is a right wing religious extremist who should be in prison.

However that doesn't change the fact that there is a strong secular component to Israeli life. There's nothing equivalent in any Islamic majority country: Turkey used to be nominally secular but Erdogan has put an end to that - unless or until he finally loses power. I won't be holding my breath though.

And around the region of Israel and the ME, there are no other countries where open atheism is socially acceptable in the way that it is in Israel. Just as there are no other democracies. Those two facts may well be connected.

So all Israelis are responsible for Netanyahu are they? Even though many of them had attended multiple public protests against him in the months before the October attack?

Meanwhile the people of Gaza, who cheered when the near-naked, mutilated corpse of a young woman who had simply been at a concert, was paraded through Gaza, are all innocent unless individually proven guilty.

Okay got that.

Ah sure maybe the are "just following orders"

You do know the guy is an Arab Israeli, right? So, probably not a Zionist, and definitely not Jewish.

Whoopsies. What was your point again?

It certainly is ridiculous. Of course he "doesn't count" as a violent Jew and/or Zionist when he's neither of those things. That was literally your claim before.

You're desperately searching the internet (and failing) to find random "zionists" murdering people in the west to compare to Islamist extremists in Spain, France, Germany, Belgium, India, and plenty of other countries, so you're reduced to one ultra orthodox crazy in Jerusalem.

Wait, I forgot the UK as well. And Canada. How many Jews have you found to "counterbalance" this? (And remember, it was your claim that Netanyahu is somehow = all Israelis, not mine.)

And then there's all the non western countries where westerners were targeted too: Bali, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Sri Lanka - of course often with a massive local death toll too - but hey what do the terrorists care about that when they themselves are going to be getting 72 virgins.

Listen, what is the point in persisting with this? A claim was made that Islam, and people who follow it, is backwards. It was pointed out that Israelis very recently used Old Testament biblical stories of genocide to encourage and excuse modern genocide. And your rebuttal to that is "well Christians don't really follow the Old Testament" ……..

Simple question - do you think Judaism is backwards for citing Old Testament standards of morality when it comes to perpetuating genocide?

I mean if Russia cited the examples of the Mongols or Vlad the Impaler to justify what it did in Ukraine you'd probably dismiss it fairly lively. But Israelis citing "morals" from thousands of years earlier is grand.

Absolutely not - that's your claim. About Netanyahu.

Mine is that a LOT of Gazans approved the murder and degradation of Shani Louk, since we saw their own Youtube clips of passers-by (not Hamas) all cheering as her body was driven around in a truck in Gaza.

Another poster made a different point about the tendency of Islam to somehow develop the tendencies of extremists who go around the world murdering people they don't like. It's a different point, but he's not wrong. My own view of that is that all religions have their extremists, including Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity, but that some religions (well, one in particular) seems particularly fertile ground for that line of thought. Modern christianity doesn't have any equivalent of 72 virgins for instance. I can't say for the others, but just judging by the numbers of random attackers from each of the major religions, it doesn't look like it.

Only one stands out. But maybe I'm wrong and maybe it's really those Jews kidnapping sex slaves in Nigeria and Mali, and they're just so damn clever that they're blaming Muslims for it?

Imagine that. What do you expect to happen after the place is bombed to pieces? Honestly, please tell us

Sure there are two sides over in Ukraine as well …….. plenty of partisan groups attacking poor Russians over in the Donbas. Two sides. Is it equally as difficult for you to have much sympathy for the Ukrainians? When the Russians withdrew from Kharkiv, sure the Ukrainians moved back in and started firing rockets at them too.

Your link says "seizing control of". Surely someone is needed to coordinate and distribute the little aid that is allowed to enter? The international agencies were driven out long ago

Any possible alternate infrastructure has long been obliterated by the Israelis. What other group do you think might spontaneously arise to take over?

What would you suggest they do with their rockets rather than fire them against the genocidists wiping out their people.

This is because Hamas' whole existence is all about destroying Israel. Since they were elected, they've run Gaza as a war economy, with everything else being subsidiary to that. If they had a chance of winning that war, that forced sacrifice by the Gazans might be justified, or at least understandable, but in reality all they've done is destroyed their own economy so that massive numbers were already wholly or partly dependent on foreign aid before October 7th (and most of those who weren't directly in receipt of aid were employed by the various aid organisations and so were indirectly dependent).

Someone linked to an interview with Hamas a day or so ago, where they made it clear that nothing has changed in that respect: if they get back into power, they have zero intention of giving Gazans a choice in this matter. No democracy, and no change in direction for the economy: it will be back to preparing more attacks on Israeli citizens in their homes.

That's what posters here calling for an unconditional ceasefire are supporting. I don't even think most Gazans would now support that - but it seems like nobody's interested in asking them anyway.

Same as posters on here defend Egypt not letting desperate people out of Gaza, even though Gazans themselves are paying corrupt Egyptian officials small fortunes to let them cross the border. Whose interests do those posters think they are supporting if not Hamas'?

There are 83k Muslims in Ireland ………… you must be absolutely crapping yourself walking about the country given they are all out to get you

"You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember."

You do know right, that it is the Old Testament that Judaism follows? No?