Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Absolutely not - that's your claim. About Netanyahu.

Mine is that a LOT of Gazans approved the murder and degradation of Shani Louk, since we saw their own Youtube clips of passers-by (not Hamas) all cheering as her body was driven around in a truck in Gaza.

Another poster made a different point about the tendency of Islam to somehow develop the tendencies of extremists who go around the world murdering people they don't like. It's a different point, but he's not wrong. My own view of that is that all religions have their extremists, including Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity, but that some religions (well, one in particular) seems particularly fertile ground for that line of thought. Modern christianity doesn't have any equivalent of 72 virgins for instance. I can't say for the others, but just judging by the numbers of random attackers from each of the major religions, it doesn't look like it.

Only one stands out. But maybe I'm wrong and maybe it's really those Jews kidnapping sex slaves in Nigeria and Mali, and they're just so damn clever that they're blaming Muslims for it?

Imagine that. What do you expect to happen after the place is bombed to pieces? Honestly, please tell us

Sure there are two sides over in Ukraine as well …….. plenty of partisan groups attacking poor Russians over in the Donbas. Two sides. Is it equally as difficult for you to have much sympathy for the Ukrainians? When the Russians withdrew from Kharkiv, sure the Ukrainians moved back in and started firing rockets at them too.

Your link says "seizing control of". Surely someone is needed to coordinate and distribute the little aid that is allowed to enter? The international agencies were driven out long ago

Any possible alternate infrastructure has long been obliterated by the Israelis. What other group do you think might spontaneously arise to take over?

What would you suggest they do with their rockets rather than fire them against the genocidists wiping out their people.

This is because Hamas' whole existence is all about destroying Israel. Since they were elected, they've run Gaza as a war economy, with everything else being subsidiary to that. If they had a chance of winning that war, that forced sacrifice by the Gazans might be justified, or at least understandable, but in reality all they've done is destroyed their own economy so that massive numbers were already wholly or partly dependent on foreign aid before October 7th (and most of those who weren't directly in receipt of aid were employed by the various aid organisations and so were indirectly dependent).

Someone linked to an interview with Hamas a day or so ago, where they made it clear that nothing has changed in that respect: if they get back into power, they have zero intention of giving Gazans a choice in this matter. No democracy, and no change in direction for the economy: it will be back to preparing more attacks on Israeli citizens in their homes.

That's what posters here calling for an unconditional ceasefire are supporting. I don't even think most Gazans would now support that - but it seems like nobody's interested in asking them anyway.

Same as posters on here defend Egypt not letting desperate people out of Gaza, even though Gazans themselves are paying corrupt Egyptian officials small fortunes to let them cross the border. Whose interests do those posters think they are supporting if not Hamas'?

There are 83k Muslims in Ireland ………… you must be absolutely crapping yourself walking about the country given they are all out to get you

"You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember."

You do know right, that it is the Old Testament that Judaism follows? No?

They didn't occupy any country, there was no country there, but it was their ancestral land. And the history of this conflict doesn't start in 1937 just as it doesn't start in 2023, but how you pick and choose speaks volumes.

And significant jihadi terrorism activity, so far limited to financing, but this would be a subject for a different thread.

Well if you want to call Gaza a ''territory'' feel free. It is not Israeli either way.

They know, that's how I know, from whatever ended up in the news. Which would be much less than what's really going on.

https://www.thejournal.ie/terrorism-report-europol-europe-ireland-5822827-Jul2022/

funny I have these same questions of Israel Bombing children and women and aid workings and shooting doctors in the head point blank and seizing more illegal settlements and stealing aid and bombing everything taller than a shoe box be it bakery or university or hospital. I thought they needed international aid too?

Most buildings in Gaza are now heaps of rubble hospitals and health centres are being bombed aid has to be brought in by truck or boat. There's a question will aid workers go in as it hardly safe to go anywhere without the risk of bombs or missiles theres a good article in guardian opinion by a Palestinian writer Today he sees no sign of hope in the future his Israeli friends that are liberal are a minority with no influence Israeli media tv are dominated by right wing extremists or people who just support the government no matter what they do

Israel is probably waiting to attack rafah because of the phone call that Biden made last week

Some palestians work as aid workers

Ironically, you have just done what you accuse others of.

You should apply to the IDF for a job as a spokesperson 😉

Oh wow, a whole 4 of them. I've changed my mind - it's ok to kill all the Palestinian toddlers so.

/sarcasm

Small bit of good news -

"Ireland will shortly formally recognise the State of Palestine, Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs Micheál Martin has told the Dáil.

It is understood that Ireland and some other EU states will announce
formal recognition of Palestine once a peace initiative – expected in
the coming weeks – is under way. Sources were reluctant to put a date on
this but said it would be “sooner rather than later” and was a matter
of weeks rather than months."

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/04/09/ireland-will-soon-formally-recognise-state-of-palestine-tanaiste-tells-dail/