Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Yes, then let's wait years until we accuse Israel of genocide - serious accusations require serious investigations. Until then the preliminary rule doesn't say it is happening, so you are the one who's ignorant of the actual findings of the court.

The preliminary ruling could not say it is happening. No more than a bail application determination could find an accused guilty.

The preliminary ruling could have dismissed the claim though. And would have done so without prima facie evidence to the contrary.

Do you understand the difference?

And it was wrong then too.

Israel/Likud have a stated objective of having a Jewish controlled state over all the disputed territories.

"The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable… therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. —Likud Party Platform, 1977"

And that includes Gaza.

The fact that they allowed Gaza to remain Palestinian before does not mean that they ever intended that to be their ultimate solution.

They are thinking in the long term, and it has stages. One of them was splitting Palestine into two separate parts, the West Bank and Gaza, another step is to push the people in Gaza into a smaller and smaller region on the border of Gaza, and at first they may call the empty space a 'buffer' zone, but it will very quickly become settler land

They will keep the Gazan population corralled in the refugee camps in Rafah for as long as it suits them, and then the 'negotiated settlement' will eventually involve those people being relocated somewhere else (or if the people in those camps refuse to accept that fate, they might just be wiped out entirely, any significant acts of resistance or terrorism originating from the refugee camps could be used as pretext for that)

It's hard to understand what the pro Israel supporters actually support here. Do they believe that if enough civilians are bombed or starved in Gaza that Hamas will just disappear? If the killing of aid workers has shown anything its that the IDF don't know what they are doing so I think any figures quoted by them for the amount of Hamas fighters they have killed mustnt be credible. I would say there is a good chance Israel will eventually disengage with Hamas still in place and Gaza in ruins.

It disappointing on this day and age that people still support such cruelty.

Terrorism needs to be treated as a criminal offense and not as a military matter.

What did we learn from 9/11 and waging war against Afghanistan for the crimes of a few dozen Saudis and Afghanis?

Security services are supposed to protect against terrorism, and Israel had plenty of warning that the operation on October 7 was being planned and they failed to prevent it.

Reacting to the attacks by collectively punishing 2 million people is absolutely not the correct thing to do.

Reacting to terrorism by murdering them and their families in their homes while they sleep is not the way to deal with terrorism.

De-escalation, negotiation, planning for a future peace deal are the only way to provide both peace and security.

Hamas will be weakened far more by providing a genuine alternative for the people of Palestine that involves some measure of hope and reconciliation than they ever will, by trying to beat the population into submission.

Israel has an AI tool which it calls "Where's Daddy"

You know what it does? Once they decide some random person is Hamas, the system follows him and waits until he is home and then alerts the operators so that they can kill the entire family.

https://www.democracynow.org/2024/4/5/israel_ai

Plenty of warning given. Egypt fafo'd.

Yeah. This is particularly disgusting. Especially when you pair it with accusations that Hamas use 'Human Shields'

If the IDF define using a 'Human Shield' as being at home while also being a member of Hamas. (or be suspected of being a member of Hamas)

Using that logic, it would make it perfectly acceptable for Hamas to attack the homes of every Israeli family that has even a single serving member of the IDF (given that there is conscription in Israel, they could argue that every house in Israel is a suspected IDF target). That is clearly not acceptable

Internment of catholics in Northern Ireland is still seen, to this day, as unacceptable human rights abuses, the Guilford 4 and Birmingham 6 are still remembered as terrible miscarriages of justice and were used as justifications for continuing to resist occupation in the North.

Every single day, in Gaza and the West bank, the Israelis are interning people, and imprisoning them for long periods of time without any charges, subjecting them to conditions that are described as unacceptable and inhumane by Israeli whistle-blowers

And still, these are the very least of the crimes that Israel commits against Palestinian people. They shot tens of thousands of peaceful protesters over the years, permanently crippling thousands of them. And these are considered normal, day to day policing operations.

The brutality of the occupation in the West bank and Gaza rivals anything the British ever did to the Irish in even the darkest days of British occupation and subjugation going back hundreds of years.

you won’t see the US acknowledge it’s going on because too much rides politically on supporting Israel, both domestically and in the region. The Pentagon this week repudiated that they had verified anything of the sort happening, but of course if they were to confirm human rights abuses by Israel it would trigger a chain of events that make it nearly impossible to continue supporting Israel. It’s quite a sickening scenario.

Umm, so Israel should have sent a strongly-worded letter to the Hamas Department of justice and the police and waited for them to arrest the wrong doers? How well do you think that would have worked?

Because Al Qaeda were not actually running Afghanistan.

TBH anyway the biggest mistake the Americans made was probably deciding that they didn't care nearly as much about Afghanistan as about proving something in Iraq, and using that as an excuse to go in there too.

Your last paragraph is exactly the same mistake that Netanyahu committed, enabling large sums of money from Qatar to reach Hamas allegedly to run Gaza. They aren't interested in running a normal country. They want to destroy Israel. Afghanistan never wanted to destroy America.

Do you know nothing about Hamas? How did you think they would react?