Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Terrorism needs to be treated as a criminal offense and not as a military matter.

What did we learn from 9/11 and waging war against Afghanistan for the crimes of a few dozen Saudis and Afghanis?

Security services are supposed to protect against terrorism, and Israel had plenty of warning that the operation on October 7 was being planned and they failed to prevent it.

Reacting to the attacks by collectively punishing 2 million people is absolutely not the correct thing to do.

Reacting to terrorism by murdering them and their families in their homes while they sleep is not the way to deal with terrorism.

De-escalation, negotiation, planning for a future peace deal are the only way to provide both peace and security.

Hamas will be weakened far more by providing a genuine alternative for the people of Palestine that involves some measure of hope and reconciliation than they ever will, by trying to beat the population into submission.

Israel has an AI tool which it calls "Where's Daddy"

You know what it does? Once they decide some random person is Hamas, the system follows him and waits until he is home and then alerts the operators so that they can kill the entire family.

https://www.democracynow.org/2024/4/5/israel_ai

Plenty of warning given. Egypt fafo'd.

Yeah. This is particularly disgusting. Especially when you pair it with accusations that Hamas use 'Human Shields'

If the IDF define using a 'Human Shield' as being at home while also being a member of Hamas. (or be suspected of being a member of Hamas)

Using that logic, it would make it perfectly acceptable for Hamas to attack the homes of every Israeli family that has even a single serving member of the IDF (given that there is conscription in Israel, they could argue that every house in Israel is a suspected IDF target). That is clearly not acceptable

Internment of catholics in Northern Ireland is still seen, to this day, as unacceptable human rights abuses, the Guilford 4 and Birmingham 6 are still remembered as terrible miscarriages of justice and were used as justifications for continuing to resist occupation in the North.

Every single day, in Gaza and the West bank, the Israelis are interning people, and imprisoning them for long periods of time without any charges, subjecting them to conditions that are described as unacceptable and inhumane by Israeli whistle-blowers

And still, these are the very least of the crimes that Israel commits against Palestinian people. They shot tens of thousands of peaceful protesters over the years, permanently crippling thousands of them. And these are considered normal, day to day policing operations.

The brutality of the occupation in the West bank and Gaza rivals anything the British ever did to the Irish in even the darkest days of British occupation and subjugation going back hundreds of years.

you won’t see the US acknowledge it’s going on because too much rides politically on supporting Israel, both domestically and in the region. The Pentagon this week repudiated that they had verified anything of the sort happening, but of course if they were to confirm human rights abuses by Israel it would trigger a chain of events that make it nearly impossible to continue supporting Israel. It’s quite a sickening scenario.

Umm, so Israel should have sent a strongly-worded letter to the Hamas Department of justice and the police and waited for them to arrest the wrong doers? How well do you think that would have worked?

Because Al Qaeda were not actually running Afghanistan.

TBH anyway the biggest mistake the Americans made was probably deciding that they didn't care nearly as much about Afghanistan as about proving something in Iraq, and using that as an excuse to go in there too.

Your last paragraph is exactly the same mistake that Netanyahu committed, enabling large sums of money from Qatar to reach Hamas allegedly to run Gaza. They aren't interested in running a normal country. They want to destroy Israel. Afghanistan never wanted to destroy America.

Do you know nothing about Hamas? How did you think they would react?

Go ahead and explain, in great detail, how opposing the Israeli actions in Gaza is support of Islamic State.

It's always very predictable in these types of threads. The barstool theologians show up sooner or later to give very in depth explanations (in their minds) as to why all Muslims are the same and think the same and therefore, in this case, all Palestinians think the same as ISIS therefore supporting Palestinians = supporting ISIS. All the time ignoring the fact that that all Muslims don't think the same (they always ignore this) and, in this specific case, will demonstrate their ignorance of what they're trying to argue as it is common knowledge to people who have any idea what they're talking about that not all Palestinians are Muslims. But yeah, having a problem with Israel mass murdering Palestinians is bad, because ISLAM.

Iranian airspace is open and flights are proceeding as normal.

The original claim of airspace closures and mobilisation orders all seem related to russian disinformation accounts.

Attached is a screenshot of current FR24 flights over Iran. I've also seen zero credible evidence of Iranian mobilisation orders. Happy to stand corrected if anyone has firm info.

The US officials saying that is not proof of the negative. That is laughable to try and pull out as an argument. The one nation on earth who almost universally backs Israel, except for the other week when it merely abstained from a resolution, yeah okay. PULL ANOTHER

take the word of the UN, with proof positive reporting

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/anatomy-genocide-report-special-rapporteur-situation-human-rights-palestinian-territories-occupied-1967-francesca-albanese-ahrc5573-advance-unedited-version

Overheal this response was not aimed at you .