Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

The sad reality is Biden will only come down hard on Israel if he thinks his re-election chances are harmed by not doing so. His condemnation of the Israeli means of executing it's war on Hamas rings hollow as he supplies them with weapons to kill tens of thousands of Palestinians. He is as guilty as Netanyahu in this genocide let their be no doubt about this.

Israel or more precisely Netanyahu is hoping that Iran responds militarily to the strike on the consulate in Damascus. He knows that they have lost the PR war and are not militarily defeating Hamas, which was always BS as Hamas is as much an ideology as an army. If the Iranian's are smart they will continue to show restraint and not attack Israel directly. Israel is committing repeated and worsening acts of self harm and eventually on it's current course will bleed out.

Netanyahu is right when he says the two state solution is dead. The only viable state is a Palestinian state in which Jews live. He has destroyed Israel as we have known it since 1948. He cannot eradicate the Palestinians and he has made Israel in it's current guise untenable.

Once the genocide ends and at some point elections are called in Israel Netanyahu is goosed. He will be facing judicial proceedings for corruption. Their is a train of thought that Netanyahu allowed the attacks on October 7 to occur to justify his war on/genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza. It seems inconceivable that a country so well secured militarily could be breached like it was on October 7 without purposeful negligence.

Do you not have a T.V?

Point missed, 33,300 Palestinian people are reported dead ,that's just the dead that arrived at the hospitals ,there maybe a hundred thousand under the rubble ,there's a lot of rubble.

if iran attacks israel in a US election year who knows what will happen

it is just the excuse the US and Israel have been waiting for years to bomb the absolute shite out of the iranian nuclear program

And what, pray tell, are the "peaceful means" of dealing with Hamas? Google 'Hamas sex crimes'.

What is your obsession with googling that? You've encouraged people to do it a number of times. Is it some sort of referral scheme?

ISIS emerged from the ashes of toppled governments amid the 'war on terror'. ISIS and other extremists thrive in chaos, violence and amongst the dispossessed, disaffected, hopeless and angry people.

Treating terrorism as crime, and targetting your response at the criminals and their resources is by far the most effective way to destroy those organisations.

Retaliating, by attacking innocent people is so obviously counter productive.

Terrorism thrives on propaganda. After the 'War on Terror' began in 2001, the amount of global islamic extremism massively increased. It didn't go down.

Every new 'Martyr' is another entry in the ISIS/Al Qaeda/Hesbollah/Hamas recruitment pamphlet

'Even' the US?

That's like a murderer taking the stand on trial and saying 'I can't be guilty, even my own mother and all my accomplices to the alleged crime say I'm innocent'

No, the problem is not 'Muslims' as you say, the problem is radical Islam. Radical Islam is unable to live in peace with anyone, even with other Islamists who have been killing each other, inter alia, since 632AD.

Obviously most Muslims are not radical, but in The Palestinian Territories, it is an extreme situation, as any of us who have been there know. If you have not been there you cannot conceive of the true context. In the last elections they voted for Hamas! Who do you think is hiding and supporting Hamas and who was cheering for them on October 7th as they raped young girls to death? Look at the videos, Palestinian women are cheering for girls being raped to death. It reminds me of the recorded call of the Russian soldier recently where his Russian wife was telling him to rape Ukrainian women. Imagine telling your partner to do that. In our naive little Irish bubble, we really do not understand the mentality on either side (luckily for us), let alone the dynamics between them.

They are not even all Islamic in Palestine (yet), it used to be 10% Christian although the Christian population in the Palestinian territories has fallen to 1% and most were not killed by the IDF.

As we saw when Jordan took in Yasser Arafat and the Palestinians, these extremists cannot live in peace with anyone, even with the very moderate Muslims in Jordan (have we already forgotten what the Palestinians did to Jordan?) so I don't see how we can expect them to live in peace beside the Jews. It cannot happen, our whole premise is invalid. Ireland's colossal bias on the issue has gone from looking quaint and naive to downright uninformed, unbalanced and dangerous.

But I suppose picking a side and remaining wilfully blind to the other side (when Iran nukes Israel, will we turn a blind eye to a few million more deaths, as long as they are on 'the other side'? Just look away...) is easier than fixing our own problems in Ireland. And you'll only be wrong half the time which would improve the Irish government's record!

that’s one thing I don’t get about this current conflict - the whole “taking sides” thing - the barbaric act against Israel and innocent people last year was unforgivable- while Israel had a right to retaliate, it had gone way too far after the first month - it’s now genicide type territory - however, you still wouldn't get me waving a Palestinian flag on a bridge over a motorway as I see many groups doing every Saturday morning, many of them Irish , looking for “honks of support” from passing motorists. That to me is just makes no sense whatsoever

I would imagine that it is a lot easier to have the mentality that you are going to die by the hands of others (be that quick or slowly over time) and that you would prefer to go out on your own terms when that is actually the case in reality.

Give a 13 year old kid access to normal things such as education and hopes and technology and see whether it is easier or more difficult to radicalise him compared to a 13 year old who has witnessed his family home being bombed, all his family killed around him and no hope for the future.