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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,407 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    The Lebanon thing seems pretty much confirmed

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭combat14


    The US is "moving additional assets" to the Middle East, a defence official has told Sky News.

    The move will "bolster regional deterrence efforts and increase force protection for US forces", the official said.

    "That means more military hardware is being moved or will be moved to the region to do two things - try to deter Iran from taking any massive action and also to protect existing American forces that are in the region," he said.

    "I think the consensus among experts is that the Iranian will respond, but they will almost certainly respond against Israel directly rather than any American military in the region. (Sky news)



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Why is there so much support for maiming poor children?

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lkUmoGVht48



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    Israelis consider the children terrorists.

    They never will admit as much but they do. That is clear in their actions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,407 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Ironically it's the very actions that Israel does that will make the next generation of 'terrorists'

    All Eyes On Rafah



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,657 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Biden saying a strike is likely sooner rather than later but it doesn't make sense from Iran's strategic perspective.

    Iran striking Israel directly will just give the Israeli govt the excuse it's goading for. They are hopelessly outmatched by US firepower.

    I imagine there will be a response but not in that direct way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Unclear as to who fired the shots, but someone in those parts has form.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,760 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    they may not be harmless at all but they won't be 2,000 lb bombs for sure and hopefully the Israelis who have safe rooms will be safe unlike the poor Palestinians in their tents with no protection and no food or medicine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,760 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Never ?? The Israelis love their human shields.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,657 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    ...

    Germany has told it's citizens to leave Iran immediately.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,407 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Two ways of looking at this

    1. This is some epic trolling by Iran to either force a deal with the wider community, possibly lifting of some sanctions or scare Israel into never going at them again.

    2. They feel they must strike back after the consulate attack or look weak and possibly face more internal opposition.

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭combat14


    they are bigging up the we are about to strike back massively so much they will have to do something now or lose serious face



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Regina Gigantic Illness


    It's psychological warfare, keeping the Israelis living in fear, same idea with Hamas and Hezbollah terrorism. Those Israelis have to put up with alot of sh1t, surrounded by neighbours that want to wipe them off the map. On the internet people calling them child murderers . And even when they're outside Israel they still get alot of abuse, it's a bad time to be a Jew. I don't know how they put up with it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The most senior IDF commander dismissed for his role in the drone strike
    that killed seven aid workers in Gaza is a settler who signed an open
    letter in January calling for the territory to be deprived of aid, it
    can be revealed

    In the letter, Mandel, a religious nationalist who lives in a
    settlement in the occupied West Bank, called, with more than 130 other
    reserve officers and commanders, for the flow of aid into Gaza to be
    restricted.

    The letter was sent on January 20 to the Israeli War
    Cabinet and the IDF chief of staff and implored them to “do everything
    in your power” not to allow “humanitarian supplies and the operation of
    hospitals inside Gaza City” following its evacuation.

    The aid workers killed in the strike (clockwise from top left): Palestinian
    Saifeddin Issam Ayad Abutaha, Lalzawmi “Zomi” Frankcom of Australia,
    Damian Soból of Poland, and Jacob Flickinger of the US and Canada, and
    James Kirby, James Henderson and John Chapman of Britain.Credit: AP

    The idea was to lay siege to the area until the estimated 130 Israeli hostages held by Hamas in Gaza were returned.

    A 7 year old could join up the dots. There was no error. To give an idea how much of sh​it the Israeli authorities don't give, the investegative report into the incident amounts to 539 words.



  • Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭BolloxChop


    Probably a stupid question but does the Israelis Iron Done system have a limited amount of ammunition? Could all these rockets being fired from Lebanon just be a way of depleting Iron Done for when Iran attacks? Just a stupid thought.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Everything is limited, but the iron dome system is cutting edge. It calculates the trajectory of income rockets and if it calculates the rocket will land in uninhabited areas, it won't shoot it down. Israel being so small, they don't need long range interceptors, so each launcher can take 20 missiles, each battery has up to 4 launchers and they have 10+ batteries deployed. So fully stocked up, that's 800 missiles ready to defend before reloading. Really impressive system, tuned to their needs.

    So 50 missiles from Lebanon won't deplete Israeli AA.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,742 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Most of the Iranian missiles will be shot down. This is why if the Iranians do launch an attack they will try to overwhelm the Iron dome in the hope some get drones or missiles get through. I am still doubtful Iran will launch a direct attack. This could be psychological warfare and a way to extract concessions from America by limiting their response to proxies. They didn't go to war over Soleimani afterall , despite all the loud noises they made , they did sod all in the end



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Iran won't launch a direct attack. If they did, it may or may not be successful, regardless, there would be explosions in Tehran within hours and they won't see Israel coming. Iran are in a pickle, after all the bluster, they need to hit back to save face, but not too hard it elicits a strong Israeli counter response etc…



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Dozens more U.S. service members have been diagnosed with
    traumatic brain injuries following last month's Iranian missile attacks
    that targeted American forces at two Iraqi bases, the Defense Department
    said Monday, bringing the total to 109.

    Of those, 76
    patients have since been returned to duty, the Pentagon said in a
    statement. There were 45 more cases since the department's last report,
    and all 109 patients have been diagnosed with what it called "mild
    traumatic brain injury."

    Might look like sod all, but that's not for want of trying. They were lucky.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,401 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I'd be surprised if Iran launched a direct attack. Excuse the pun but Iran v Israel is David v Goliath.

    Iran has a large regional military on paper but it's light years behind Israel in terms of technology.

    Any strike on Israel would come back to them tenfold.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 259 ✭✭thereiver


    Hamas are a ruthless terrorist organisation whose aim is the destruction of the Israeli state but this not mean that Israel is right to kill ,30,000 civilians many of which are women and children it also does not justify bombing most of Gaza into rubble they have killed many aid workers and made it hard to deliver food and water to gaza

    America has been the most powerful supporter of Israel probably because the Jewish vote is important to both political party's especially the democrats Biden is losing the youth vote due to his support of Israel he simply cannot afford to lose the Jewish vote it's also a fact that a large part of the liberal media are Jewish or strong supporters of Israel

    Iran has used proxys to attack Israel usually it does not want to get involved in a war with America it can supply an unlimited amount of drones and missiles to proxy groups to attack Israel Iran would not survive a full scale war with america or it's allies



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,405 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ruthless terrorist organization whose aim is the destruction of Palestine, targets international journalists, wounding 7. One lost her leg. They were traveling in clearly marked PRESS group

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/cnn-journalist-and-others-wounded-in-idf-strike-on-gaza-refugee-camp/



  • Registered Users Posts: 43 DoyleLoneganYouFollow


    "If it calculates that it won't land in a populated area then it won't shoot it down"

    How does that work?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,525 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Iran must be protected!

    Whens the pro-Iranian marches?



  • Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    Seems that military assets are moving around Iran, at present:

    The US had observed Iran moving military assets around internally, including drones and cruise missiles, signaling that it was preparing to attack Israeli targets from inside its own territory, according to two people familiar with US intelligence. One of the people said that the US had observed Iran readying as many as 100 cruise missiles.

    If they have the sheer audacity to attack Israel directly, Israel should respond by terminating their nuclear ambitions for good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,692 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The rockets launched from Lebanon and/or Palestine are unguided, short ranged and generally follow a predictable ballistic arc. That can be computed to a final impact point fairly easily and the Iron Dome is programmed to fire only if predicted arc impacts a populated area.

    Iron Dome is relatively cheap at @ $10k a shot but missiles are still a limited resource.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,742 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Israel by having the audacity to strike a consulate building, which is probably in violation of international law, had to expect a response.

    It was probably done by warmonger Bibi to try and open up another front to get America back onside and prolong his rule. I hope Iran does not give Bibi what he wants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    If Netanyahu really wants to go down that path, wouldn't be simply conduct another provocation against Iran?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,742 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    If Iran is smart it will not make it easy for him to do so. If Iran does not escalate the situation, the Americans, since they are keen to avoid a wider war that will inevitably pull them in, should warn Bibi in private that such a move is unacceptable . Whether Bibi will listen is another matter- as we know he craves power above everything else.



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