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Mass stabbing event in Sydney - Read OP before posting

TokTik

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2024/apr/13/australia-news-live-major-police-incident-in-sydney-after-reports-of-multiple-stabbings

Seems someone went crazy and started stabbing random people in Bondi Junction. I think the world needs a lot tougher knife laws. We constantly see stabbing deaths in U.K. too.

Anyone caught with a knife should do at least a year, 12 months in prison. No reason given Stop and search should also be an option to Gardai/police forces to get a handle on this. A knife is a deadly weapon.

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Back on topic, which is the tragic stabbing and murder of a number of people in Sydney. Leave it to the authorities to determine any underlying issues that may have contributed to the actions of the murderer

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dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013663#Comment_122013663

We literally had this in Dublin less than 6 months ago

anewme

40 years old and known to police.

Targeted the woman and baby first.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013635#Comment_122013635

I gather the other alternative is that the attack wasn't random, ie that the man knew the woman who died and maybe some of the others who were stabbed as well.

People going bonkers about whether or not it's fair to ask if he's Muslim, but we rarely see people pointing out that we don't even have to ask whether it's a man, because nearly 100% of the time it is. And very often trying to kill a woman.

Is it anti man to point that out?

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013626#Comment_122013626

Five of the six victims were women, and one was a baby.

If this was a man targeting woman, are we not allowed to call that terror related too? Or does it not matter as much when women are the targets?

(This is not about you, BTW, but about the police being so quick to dismiss it as "not terror". Seems pretty damn terrifying to me if someone hates women that much - and it's not as though it would be the first time.)

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013689#Comment_122013689

Saying now he was in the mall at 3pm, went off and came back at 3.20 with the knife and targeted the woman and baby, so definitely looking into that it might not just have been totally random.

Patrick2010

would have loved to see more of the video where the guy at the top of the escalator was stopping him, I’d say knife man knew there was no way he was getting up there

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013722#Comment_122013722

Muslims were first brought up by a poster asking when they would be mentioned.

Everyone else was asking about the victims. Your ire needs to be focused where it rightly belongs.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013689#Comment_122013689

Nearly every single time it's a man. Probably 99% but you could be right with 100%. It doesn't matter what colour, religion, sexual orientation, they could be black, they could be white, they could be christian, they could be muslim, it doesn't matter, it's always men. Before anyone says it, I'm not saying all men are potential mass murderers, I'm saying that all mass murderers are highly likely to be men. What can be done about it? I don't have a clue. Because it's so widespread, finding a solution seems impossible. How do these men turn into murdering scumbags? How do we stop them from growing into murdering scumbags?

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013635#Comment_122013635

Burden of proof. If they have no evidence that it's terror related, they're not going to say it is, particularly given the panic that could cause in the local area. If they have sufficient proof to suggest it's terror related, then they'll say it is.

yagan

It is funny that people try to make about Muslim basking after centuries of Christian genocidal empires.

chopperbyrne

Confirming it isn't terror related is very different than saying it is not known at this time if it's terror related.

Completely ruling it out means they surely know the motive, but then why not say what the motive is?

Considering it seems targeted against women, and particularly one woman with a baby, it's quite possibly "honour" related.

weesmurf33

WIth regards to stop and search. Having lived in the holy land, simply checking people before they enter shopping malls or bars and restaurants I found works well. Certainly a good deteraint.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058346656/mass-stabbing-event-in-sydney

Knife laws are irrelevant, they are already tough. People with a mind to criminality don't care about the law. The person was known to the police, so maybe do more on the enforcement and incarceration side of things. Most of the similar incidents in France that did involve muslims, the perpetrators were known to the Gendarme.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013334#Comment_122013334

I would rather not be patted down, there is every reason why police should not have this power. Typical knee-jerk response.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013801#Comment_122013801

Men and women are just different. Most violent attacks will be by men. Most unarmed bystanders who try to intervene to take on the attacker will also be men.

Stopping the violent attackers becoming that way will be next to impossible, there may be little signs up to the first attack. Allowing and encouraging other men to intervene would actually be a more successful strategy. A lot of men feel they can't intervene especially with lower level violent attacks. Even the Guards here are afraid to intervene in such events like lately when we saw them running away from rioters in Dublin. Throughout many Western countries violent individuals are treated as victims and those who intervene sometimes are treated as criminals.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013601#Comment_122013601

The police have said he is known to them and have ruled out isms as a motivating factor. That would suggest this is a case of insufficient mental health resources, AKA secure mental hospitals, and that the perpetrator is a nut job.

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013865#Comment_122013865

Next to impossible in a shopping centre with multiple exits and entrances. The very nature of a shopping centre means you have thousands of people walking/driving in and out with bags you can't stop and search everybody. A person determined to cause damage would just go somewhere else to commit an offence anyway. Heck you could just go into a shop inside the centre and buy a knife after you've been searched if you wanted.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013853#Comment_122013853

All we know for a fact is that this is yet another case of a man murdering women. Again it raises the question if anything can be done to stop the threat posed by men.

Hoboo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013626#Comment_122013626

Looked terrifying to me

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013879#Comment_122013879

Shrug our shoulders? That's your solution? Some men will be violent and there's nothing we can do about it. You made a note about unarmed bystanders. The person who put an end to this attack was an armed woman. Would that not be more of a solution? If violent attacks are carried out by men 99% of the time, should we arm women to police them? All we hear is that women should be careful where they go, when they go there, who they go with, what they wear, what they drink and so on and on and on. So instead of your suggestion of encouraging other men to intervene, we arm women and encourage them to intervene.

Danye

It’s a thread on a horrific crime with multiple fatalities.

What were you expecting?

jam_mac_jam

Heartbreaking that the mother of the baby died. Hopefully the baby survives. I felt so sorry for the two men who helped and were interviewed straight after. They both looked completely in shock.

Obviously due to the amount of women that were stabbed he was a coward. Regardless of how his mental problems were affecting him he still knew to act those that are less likely to fight him off.

Stabbing a baby though, Jesus. Unbelievable.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013865#Comment_122013865

*uck that. I've heard they do the same in South Africa and that living in security fenced enclaves with guards works wonders for safety, but as an Australian, I don't want to see any of this crap in Australia, just because of one isolated incident in a lifetime.

When someone can drive a vehicle into a crowd, it makes tougher knife laws, Orwellian Police powers and all such post incident hand-wringing genius solutions moot.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013669#Comment_122013669

Again, the point is not that stop and search cannot prevent crime.

It is that it won't prevent spree killings. So it is nothing but emotive posturing to start shouting for stop and search after a scenario like this.

That man could have been searched at the door, then walked to one of the stores, bought a knife and started his attack.

Random stop and search is a complete red herring here, so the OP should give over about it.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013460#Comment_122013460

OMG RIP

What the hell is happening in the world

jam_mac_jam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013991#Comment_122013991

Except you have no idea if the person is an immigrant or not and yet you have to use people's death for a point. Before the people are even cold.

Sean Quagmire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013626#Comment_122013626

every major killing spree lately has been labelled “not a terrorist incident”. It’s lost its meaning altogether. Same perpetrators every time. Should we start calling it what it actually is instead? The glaringly obvious…

Sean Quagmire

grand, I’ll come back in a few hours when the obvious has been confirmed.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013913#Comment_122013913

Throwing piles of guns into the mix is hardly a solution.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013991#Comment_122013991

Australia is a country of mass immigration and it's one of the best places to live in the world though. One person going nuts doesn't make it otherwise.

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013936#Comment_122013936

Some bars in Sydney have airport style metal detectors on the way in to stop propel bringing in knives/guns. I know Shark Bar just off Elizabeth Street does.